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Why Intellectuals Still Support Socialism

Why Intellectuals Still Support Socialism

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Originally posted by der schwarze Ritter
As I read much of Klein's analysis, I couldn't help but think of the rise of U.S. Senator Barack Obama. Here is a man being touted for the presidency and he's never even run a business, nor does he understand the most fundamental aspects of markets.
Good.
I know that you would not understand that this is a desirable thing.
After all you are a pathetic, fascistic, lie spreading fool. The only government you desire and understand is one that panders to big business and sells its citizens down the river. One that for instance is funded by the energy companies and destroys the world by refusing to sign Kyoto whilst covering up the fact that it got its sticky fingers burnt in the Enron scandal.
Ask yourself why, if we live in a "free market" as is claimed by right wingers like you, do we need government intervention in business at all?
Come back to me when you've figured out the lie of the "free market".

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Originally posted by uzless
Here's an objective viewpoint from a Canadian newspaper obit.
No such animal has ever been found.
Like Bigfoot and the Loch Nest Monster, an objective viewpoint in conjunction with a Canadian newspaper has never been verified .. doctored photos and "eyewitness" sightings abound.

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Socialism will never work for the simple reason that a President will never accept the same wage as a toilet cleaner, therefore society will not be equeal.

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Originally posted by lordhighgus
Socialism will never work for the simple reason that a President will never accept the same wage as a toilet cleaner, therefore society will not be equeal.
You are confusing socialism with communism.

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Originally posted by howardgee
You are confusing socialism with communism.
I probably am, but can you find one without the other?

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Originally posted by lordhighgus
I probably am, but can you find one without the other?
In theory you can never find them together as they are mutually exclusive!

Moreover, Communism has never existed in practise any where in the world.

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Originally posted by howardgee
In theory you can never find them together as they are mutually exclusive!

Moreover, Communism has never existed in practise any where in the world.
I thought communism is an ideology that seeks to establish a future classless, stateless social organization, based upon common ownership of the means of production and as an economic system, socialism is often associated with state, community or worker ownership of the means of production. (Thanks Wiki)
Is this not the same??

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Originally posted by uzless
Listen, Friedman is like Freud. Not many still subcribe to his theory in practice anymore. For all his ramblings about how governments should get smaller and Depression economics the guy was a hypocrite....

"unable to find work during the Depression, he regarded the job he secured with one of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal agencies "a lifesaver."

Here' ...[text shortened]... ?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&call_pageid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1163717412124
Most of the 'privitization' you hear about these days is as a result of his influence -- the recognition that government agencies trying to run businessess often screw them up.

More details for anyone who is interested from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_friedman

"Milton Friedman (July 31, 1912 – November 16, 2006) was an American economist who made major contributions to the fields of macroeconomics, microeconomics, economic history and statistics while advocating laissez-faire capitalism."

"In 1976, he won the Nobel Prize for Economics..."

"His television series Free to Choose aired on PBS in early 1980. The book was widely read, as were his columns for Newsweek magazine."

"In statistics, he devised the Friedman test."

His political philosophy stressing the advantages of the marketplace and the disadvantages of government intervention shaped the outlook of American conservatives and had a major impact on the economic policy of the Ronald Reagan administration in the U.S. and on many other countries after 1980."

Here is the whole quote you were referrring to:

"He was unable to find academic employment, and working for the New Deal was 'a lifesaver.' He approved of 'many early New Deal measures as appropriate responses to the critical situation', especially the job creating relief agencies WPA, CCC, and PWA. However, he generally disapproved of government programs, especially those that control prices, which he saw as an essential signaling mechanism that help resources go to where they are most valued."

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Originally posted by howardgee
Those who know nothing, post right wing propoganda.
Exactly. I would rec this except that it only may give the wrong impression and lead to only encourage you further.

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Originally posted by spruce112358
Certainly it is not spreading 'hate and calumny'.
That probably was a bit hyperbolic on my part but I was making reference to those die hard conservatives who tend to dismiss any form of altruism in learning as being a waste of their money and could care less if their lack of stewardship in promoting a thriving academic scene results in them losing their cutting edge across a wide range of disciplines. When the rot finally sets in they then cost cut to the @&%thouse all the while blaming liberal/labour/social democrat policies when in fact it was their lack of funding research and inquiry that although it may seem as a waste of time and money actually is essential in building a critical mass of information until the next quantum leap/breakthrough is discovered.

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Originally posted by uzless
Listen, Friedman is like Freud. Not many still subcribe to his theory in practice anymore. For all his ramblings about how governments should get smaller and Depression economics the guy was a hypocrite....

"unable to find work during the Depression, he regarded the job he secured with one of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal agencies "a lifesaver."

Here' ...[text shortened]... ?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&call_pageid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1163717412124
Unlike Freud, the ideas of Friedman are still potent and winning many converts. School vouchers are already in place in D.C., Cleveland and Milwaukee.

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?page=article&Article_ID=13881

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Originally posted by howardgee
Good.
I know that you would not understand that this is a desirable thing.
After all you are a pathetic, fascistic, lie spreading fool. The only government you desire and understand is one that panders to big business and sells its citizens down the river. One that for instance is funded by the energy companies and destroys the world by refusing to sig ...[text shortened]... in business at all?
Come back to me when you've figured out the lie of the "free market".
Please see my earlier post about the peanut gallery.

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Originally posted by howardgee
In theory you can never find them together as they are mutually exclusive!

Moreover, Communism has never existed in practise any where in the world.
not at federal level but there are bunches of communes around and used to be a lot more.

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"Why Intellectuals Still Support Socialism "

Probably because intellectuals live mostly in their minds and Socialism looks pretty good .. in theory

In practice .. it don't work.

Some pigs are more equal.

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Originally posted by der schwarze Ritter
Please see my earlier post about the peanut gallery.
If you have nothing to say, then don't bother saying anything.

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