02 Sep 22
@sh76 saidDude we're not disagreeing that he spent 4+ hours on Twitter every day. We're disagreeing about how effective that addiction was for his political career. I think his name recognition, reality show personality, and constant appearance on mainstream media was far more important.
Sorry if my reaction was a bit strong, but I'm truly amazed that an intelligent guy like you really seems to have forgotten (or possibly unconsciously blocked) how central Twitter was to Trump's communications.
It can't just be that you don't remember. There must be something in there about not wanting to believe that Twitter made Trump.
04 Sep 22
@wildgrass saidA lot of people are TV stars and appear on TV all the time.
Dude we're not disagreeing that he spent 4+ hours on Twitter every day. We're disagreeing about how effective that addiction was for his political career. I think his name recognition, reality show personality, and constant appearance on mainstream media was far more important.
The way Trump used Twitter to say F U to the "establishment" 14 times a day is what made him a cult hero and shot him to 35% of the Republican primary polls in 2015.
Without that, Apprentice or no Apprentice, he never gets a sniff at the Presidency.
Without Twitter, he never would have even had the critical mass to get on cable news all the time.
04 Sep 22
@kevcvs57 said===Are you seriously suggesting Twitter is more influential in relation to your classic Republican or trump voter than MSM outlets like Fox News.===
Yes and its a piece of nonsense I doubt trumps base are even on Twitter, I’m in the uk and never on Twitter but every time I checked an msm channel in the US there he was rousing up the base or saying any obnoxious crap he could think of about his opponents, Republican and Democrat.
Are you seriously suggesting Twitter is more influential in relation to your classic Republi ...[text shortened]... ot during the election.
The idea that trump cannot get his message out without Twitter is retarded.
You're missing the point. Without Twitter, trump never would have gotten on TV every day in the first place and never would have gotten tens of thousands of people to attend his rallies.
04 Sep 22
@sh76 saidMore people are on facebook. Why doesn't he just go on there instead?
Are you serious?
Did people forget how Trump used Twitter in 2015 and 2016? He was on it 20 times a day. He used it to go over the heads of the media and say what he had to say straight to the people. He ALSO did interviews and rallies of course, but the vast majority of his communication was over Twitter.
You can love him or hate him, but ignoring the central role of Twit ...[text shortened]... there's not a snowball's chance in Hell that Trump wins in 2016.
Wow, people have short memories.
Twitter censored him for his election fraud claims and calls for protests. He has no reason to be loyal to twitter.
I noticed that the corporate news media quoted what Trump said on Truth Social today. Why do you think they are doing that? They could have ignored what he wrote on there, but they chose not to. It wasn't even anything surprising or important.
04 Sep 22
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@sh76 saidTrump was on multiple TV shows in 2011 repeating birther conspiracy theories which is what probably brought him his following among the more dimwitted of Republicans, who remain his loyal base. Twitter would seem a unlikely place for Trump to utilize effectively; it's demographics are younger, more educated and wealthier than average with the first two being groups where Trump's appeal is weakest.
===Are you seriously suggesting Twitter is more influential in relation to your classic Republican or trump voter than MSM outlets like Fox News.===
You're missing the point. Without Twitter, trump never would have gotten on TV every day in the first place and never would have gotten tens of thousands of people to attend his rallies.
Trump's lead in the Republican horserace was small when he first announced but grew steadily during the debates where he was the most stringent and consistent voice of white victimization which is now the primary ideological underpinning of right wing politics.
04 Sep 22
@no1marauder saidHe did well in the debates because he seemed like he was anti establishment. I had my doubts about him when he said Jullian Assange should be executed. Then when he picked Pence I knew he was just pretending to be anti establishment, but many people were fooled and are still fooled.
Trump was on multiple TV shows in 2011 repeating birther conspiracy theories which is what probably brought him his following among the more dimwitted of Republicans, who remain his loyal base. Twitter would seem a unlikely place for Trump to utilize effectively; it's demographics are younger, more educated and wealthier than average with the first two being groups where ...[text shortened]... ice of white victimization which is now the primary ideological underpinning of right wing politics.
Trump is the establishments pretender. He pretends to be against them and the establishment pretends to be against him. It is working like a charm too.
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04 Sep 22
@wildgrass saidGreat for votes, though. Unfortunately.
All y'all right wingers really think twitters the ticket to political fame eh?
It's a cesspool of misinformation and human filth. Great entertainment, bad for productivity.
05 Sep 22
Twitter is the establishment's competition to the biggest competitor, Facebook.
Without a second place competitor to Zuckerberg it is harder to control him. Twitter is his only real competition and twitter is still a distant second.
The establishment wants Trump on Twitter. Have you noticed that the corporate news media mentioned his tweets to promote twitter. They rarely make mention of politician's facebook posts. They are propping up twitter like they did google. They are the establishment darlings to control you.
05 Sep 22
@sh76 saidBut he could have just released his ridiculous statements through a press release, if anything Twitter harmed his political standing with anyone but his slavish base due to its lack of out going filters from his administration and as we saw in 2020 his slavish base are not enough to give him the White House no matter how far they contort their intellects.
===Are you seriously suggesting Twitter is more influential in relation to your classic Republican or trump voter than MSM outlets like Fox News.===
You're missing the point. Without Twitter, trump never would have gotten on TV every day in the first place and never would have gotten tens of thousands of people to attend his rallies.
You obviously are keen on the idea that Trump is being silenced in some way to stop him getting the White House keys for a second time but it’s his lack of silence that’s the problem.
05 Sep 22
@kevcvs57 saidWhy doesn't Trump go on Facebook instead?
But he could have just released his ridiculous statements through a press release, if anything Twitter harmed his political standing with anyone but his slavish base due to its lack of out going filters from his administration and as we saw in 2020 his slavish base are not enough to give him the White House no matter how far they contort their intellects.
You obviously are ...[text shortened]... him getting the White House keys for a second time but it’s his lack of silence that’s the problem.
Twitter is much smaller than Facebook.
Is it because being on them both is important? He had a Facebook account too. Is he back on Facebook?
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/07/facebook-will-block-trump-from-posting-for-the-remainder-of-his-term.html