Wow !!! An even bigger cattle truck than the 747.
Does this improve the situation for the regular passenger? Not a jot!
The big problem with air travel for economy passengers is space (or lack of it). A bigger plane will not solve this problem at all, because it doesn't change the economics of air travel one iota.
Call me cynical, but I cannot see how the price of space will be any different, airbus or not.
Originally posted by RagnorakYou can't help yourself, period...are you by chance fantasizing about fondling the jewels of an American Cowboy in star-spangled underwear....perhaps in Village People attire?....gives new meaning to the term "weapon of mass destruction", eh, Rag...keep fantasizing...there are plenty of Yanks in Ireland...maybe a cowboy or two...
Sorry buddy, but I just couldn't help myself when I saw your forum profile (on the left) or whatever its called. Are u wearing star-spangled underwear, by any chance? 😉
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Sorry, "buddy", couldn't help myself when I read your reply....😲 😉 😉
Originally posted by slimjimWhere I live is not my nationality and niether do I claim either to be the greatest so blindly without reason.
Australia? Please.......total ignorance, open your eyes and you will see.
The world is a big place with many things great in a variety of countries, blind patriotism is ignorance.
i am not unhappy about patriotic loudmouthing in this thread.
(when sadam was going to sell his oil to the europeans the americans did something about it.😲 hopefully that comment will keep the fire burning😉 )
now airbus A380 is about to take the skies from the old-and-not-so-big american "jumbo",
what will america do?
i expect boeing to do something ... they must ... or decline .. into obscurity.
can they sabotage airbus, perhaps buy out one of its vital suppliers? or make a bigger plane? or stop airports from expanding their runways ... or ....
it will be very interesting to see which american runways expand ... the rest of the world will do it naturally ... but will the americans ?
Originally posted by ShallowBlueactually it does affect the economics ... it can take people around cheaper ... with more legroom.
Wow !!! An even bigger cattle truck than the 747.
Does this improve the situation for the regular passenger? Not a jot!
The big problem with air travel for economy passengers is space (or lack of it). A bigger plane will not solve this problem at all, because it doesn't change the economics of air travel one iota.
Call me cynical, but I cannot see how the price of space will be any different, airbus or not.
Originally posted by slimjimthis is actually a little silly.
Australia? Please.......total ignorance, open your eyes and you will see.
i know you meant to be abusive ... but you might as well base it on something:
australia is a little isolated country (big in space, small in the ability to house people)
we sucked up to europe for 150 years,
then we sucked up to america for a while,
we tried sucking up to indonesia and china for a bit,
we are busy sucking up to america again at the moment.
australia is definitely not ignorant of the international situations ... we cannot afford to be.
Originally posted by flexmoreWell Boeing is doing something. They have gone in a diametrically opposite direction and are making a smaller 'plane.
i am not unhappy about patriotic loudmouthing in this thread.
(when sadam was going to sell his oil to the europeans the americans did something about it.😲 hopefully that comment will keep the fire burning😉 )
now airbus A380 is ab ...[text shortened]... est of the world will do it naturally ... but will the americans ?
The A380 is designed to fly between the major 'hubs' of the world whilst Boeing believes that in the future people will want to fly 'from where they are to where they want to go' rather than between 'hubs' so a smaller 'plane fits that scenario better.
🙂
i am amazed this receives so little press ... it is sexy & exciting ... airplanes/aeroplanes ... not vacuum cleaners.
but more than that: it is the two great superpowers of today facing off: europe versus u.s.
airbus 380:
pros: hugest, cheapest,
cons: requires an airport slightly larger than 747 which is today's standard.
boeing 777-200LR
pros: flies furthest, lands on smaller runways.
cons: more fuel is used.
from europe
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1463337,00.html
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A massive dispute is brewing between Airbus and its archrival, Chicago-based Boeing. EU officials, though standing firm, hope the issue won't explode before Bush visits the continent in February.
Airbus Chief Noel Forgeard seldom wastes an opportunity to let the competition from Boeing know they are second best.
The European association finished 2004 with more orders than their American competitor, and its much hyped A380 jumbo jet was unveiled early this week to great fanfare. Boeing, which is also planning to unveil a new jumbo jet, has accused its European competitors of receiving unfair government subsidies to launch their recent aircraft projects and is threatening to take the issue before the World Trade Organization.
Last Fall, in the midst of a bitter re-election campaign, U.S. President George W. Bush cancelled a 1992 agreement between America and the European Union that structured the flow of subsidies for the aerospace industry.
"What the Americans realized is that Airbus isn't just a big competitor, but the worldwide market leader," said Claude Veron-Reville, the spokesman for the EU Commission. "And that is totally different from the 1980s."
Billions in subsidies on both sides
The 1992 agreement allowed Airbus owners France, Spain, Great Britain and Germany to extend credit to cover one-third of the cost of aircraft development. But the big four were able to cover more than €3 billion ($3.9 billion) of the new jumbo jet A380's development, and Washington said they did it with low-interest loans.
Forgeard said Airbus has paid back any loans, with interest. In turn, the EU accused the US government of funnelling billions of dollars in indirect subsidies to Boeing through its defense contracts and state tax breaks and has filed a formal complaint with the WTO.
Before things got too far, Bob Zoellick, the US Trade Representative, sought to mediate the dispute in early January, setting up negotiations between him and the EU Trade Commissioner Peter Mandelson. The EU is hoping to convince Washington over the next three months that both sides should end subsidies for the aerospace industry altogether.
But the European countries behind Airbus also have a vested interest in providing subsidies to the company: Production of the A380 alone employs 40,000 people in Germany.
Keep it low profile
German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder couldn't resist a jab at Washington at the A380's unveiling in Toulouse on Tuesday. The "European flag" should be held high during negotiations with the U.S., he said, and said Airbus needs to be ready to open itself up eastward, to Russia.
At the moment, EU Commission President Jose Barroso seems relieved that the transatlantic dispute remains under the radar ahead of Bush's visit to Brussels in February.
"A trade dispute should not influence other political fields," he said. "Let's try and solve the problem. If we can't, then let's not let the transatlantic dialog suffer."
Bernd Riegert (dre)
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from america
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/BUSINESS/02/15/boeing.777/
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Boeing unveils longest-flying jet
Launch one month after world's largest plane unveiled
Wednesday, February 16, 2005 Posted: 0603 GMT (1403 HKT)
Boeing's strategy is to cut out connecting flights by flying directly to major world cities.
EVERETT, Washington -- Boeing has unveiled the world's longest-flying plane, the 777-200LR Worldliner, a jet that will be able to fly nonstop from London to Sydney.
The twin-engine airplane, when equipped with three optional fuel tanks, will be able to fly 9,420 nautical miles (17,446 kilometers), 1,500 nautical miles longer than existing planes.
Seating up to 301 passengers, the jets will be able to connect virtually any two cities in the world, Alan Mulally, president and CEO of Boeing Commercial Airplanes, told 5,000 people gathered at the company's plant in Everett, north of Seattle on Tuesday.
But while the planes can fly from London to Sydney, they will have to stop once to return via the same route to refuel, since they would be flying against high-altitude jet streams going back, a Reuters report said.
The plane's first flight is scheduled for early March. It is set to be delivered to Pakistan International Airlines in January 2006. Taiwan's EVA Airways is also a launch customer.
Boeing is battling to regain dominance of the commercial airliner market from Europe's Airbus and both companies have been touting very different visions of future air travel.
The Chicago-based aerospace company is betting that airlines will buy more mid-size jets to ferry passengers directly between cities over longer distances, cutting out the need to connect between flights.
Airbus is betting on size for the future, with the launch last month of the world's largest passenger plane: its double-decker super-jumbo A380.
The A380 planes, which will be able to hold up to 840 passengers, will normally carry around 550 passengers in a three-class configuration.
The Airbus approach is to fly passengers to major hubs and then ferry them to their destination in smaller planes.
Boeing's 777-200LR will compete directly with Airbus's A340-600 and A340-500, but have seat-mile costs 15 percent to 18 percent lower than those models, Reuters news agency quoted Boeing as saying.
The 777-200LR will also serve as the platform for the Boeing 777 Freighter, which will be able to carry 222,000 pounds of cargo.
The 777 family has captured over 60 percent of the market since the airplane's October 1990 launch, according to Boeing says.
More than 38 customers worldwide have ordered more than 675 777s, including 104 Longer-Range 777s. So far, two customers have ordered five 777-200LRs.
The planes are powered by two General Electric GE90-115B engines, which the company said is the world's most powerful commercial jet engine, with 115,000 pounds of thrust.
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Originally posted by D43M0N
Bwahaha...Brisbane already has a big enough runway! I believe Melbourne is paying out 200 million dollars (AUD).
And I believe it can only hold 40 percent more than the 747.
yeah must sound like a lot to you poor brisbanites/brisbanians.
but 200 million dollars is not much in melbourne 😏