23 Feb 03
Originally posted by geniuswhat is the point of this song here.
99 red balloons
You and I in a little toy shop
buy a bag of balloons with the money we've got
Set them free at the break of dawn
'Til one by one, they were gone
Back at base, bugs in the software
Flash the message, "Something's out there"
Floating in the summer sky
99 red balloons go by.
99 red balloons floating in the summer sky
Panic bell ...[text shortened]... r
Just to prove the world was here...
And here is a red balloon
I think of you and let it go.
ps. you have missed out the 2nd last verse.
David🙂
23 Feb 03
there are different versions of this song-those were the only words that i could find, but the version that i've got (by goldfinger) does the second last verse in german...😛 the song is an anti war/neuclear song-two guys let go of 99 red balloons and people think that they are one big UFO so they try to blow it up...but blow up half the world instaed...😕
23 Feb 03
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Originally posted by kirksey957Kirk you have a point.I am told that it did not start there but worse than you think on an uninhabited island (St Goegia rings a bell)Some whalers left stuff there and noboby thought anything of it.Some salvage guys thought that has been there for years lets have it.So Mrs Thatcher kicked off,and so the Argentines thought why not send a reminder that The Mald is ours.So Mrs Thatcher went to see the Queen and we sent a task force by sea,and The Americans played a role of mediators for the 12 days it took to the task force to get there.A Vulcan bomber came first had to refuel At Assension Island(American owned?).It just bombed the runway at Stanley to stop any reinforcements being flown in.I have been in a Vulcan.It must have been terrifiing when this thing came over.
I would be curious to know since there is such anti-war sentiment in Britain what was the prevailing mood there when Thatcher went to the Falklands? This question has no agenda other than to gain info/insight and not to start a discussi ...[text shortened]... ity of war or to compare that time with the present. Thanks, Kirk
Linda.
B.T .W. Mrs Thatcher was known as TINA (there is no alternative).
23 Feb 03
Pink Floyd-The Final Cut (1983)
"Get Your Filthy Hands Off My Desert"
brezhnev took afghanistan
begin took beirut
galtieri took the union jack
and maggie over lunch one day
took a cruiser with all hands
apparently to make him give it back
This song refers to the sinking of the Argentine cruiser General Belgrano by the British submarine HMS Conquerer during the Falkland Island war, with 393 of the crew of 1093 being lost. Although not all hands were lost as the song implies, the incident was seen as being an unnecessary loss of life, with Britain receiving a lot of bad press.
23 Feb 03
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Originally posted by rwingettFrom what I understand.Britain declared an exclusion zone similar to the no fly area in Iraq.The Belgrano was both outside and sailing away,but She looked a threat.Thanks for pointing out that when we get to it,it is shoot first and ask questions later.
Pink Floyd-The Final Cut (1983)
"Get Your Filthy Hands Off My Desert"
brezhnev took afghanistan
begin took beirut
galtieri took the union jack
and maggie over lunch one day
took a cruiser with all hands
apparently to make him ...[text shortened]... sary loss of life, with Britain receiving a lot of bad press.
Linda.
23 Feb 03
Originally posted by bbarr
Bob Dylan: "Masters of War"
Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks
You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little ...[text shortened]... Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand o'er your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead
Even If We Fail, the band I manage (how pompous does that sound), have just recorded a cover of Masters of War, having tried but failed to come up with a better anti-war song themselves.
But in the spirit of favourite lyrics, here's a few of mine:
'Every day becomes everyday' - Strangelove
'Transport, motorways and tramlines, starting and then stopping.
Taking off and landing, the emptiest of feelings, sentimental drivel
Clinging onto bottles, when it comes it's so so disappointing
Let down and hanging around, crushed like a bug in the ground' - Radiohead
'Do you realise that everyone you know someday will die
And instead of saying all of your goodbyes
Let them know your realise that life goes fast
It's hard to make the good things last
You realise the sun doesn't go down
It's just an illusion caused by the world spinning round' - Flaming Lips
'Scratch my leg with a rusty nail, sadly it heals
Colour my hair but the dye grows out
I can't seem to stay a fixed ideal' - Manic Street Preachers
OK, sorry I really should stop now,
Rich.
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24 Feb 03
Originally posted by SchliemannYour assumption that Iraq and terrorism are linked is incorrect.Since sept 11th there has been approx 3000 suspected terrorist arrests worldwide and not one has been an Iraqi.Propoganda linking Iraq and terrorism seems to have worked.
I for one do not believe in war unless absloutely necessary...and I am one not to totally trust my government.
But a quick question since you bring this up.
If two planes had slammed into Buckingham Palace...would you still feel the same?
ALOT of innocent people died over someone else's agenda...and I am sure alot more will in the events that wi ...[text shortened]... ter feeling than love or hate.
And that is all i want in this world.
To feel safe.
Dave
Your point 'about 2 planes going into buckingham palace'(etc)is rather annoying and niave.We in England,and especially in london,have had to live with terrorism for many decades in the form of the IRA,so are well aware of the devasting effects of terrorism.Would you agree to the annihalation of ireland for having terrorists ??? of course not! In fact ,i have only been to USA once,to New York in fact,and was amazed at the support ,both verbal and financial, there was for the IRA.So please dont patronise us anymore about terrorism.
25 Feb 03
Originally posted by peterhPeter,my favorit of all time.I love that name.
Your assumption that Iraq and terrorism are linked is incorrect.Since sept 11th there has been approx 3000 suspected terrorist arrests worldwide and not one has been an Iraqi.Propoganda linking Iraq and terrorism seems to have worked.
Your point 'about 2 planes going into buckingham palace'(etc)is rather annoying and niave.We in England,and especially in l ...[text shortened]... erbal and financial, there was for the IRA.So please dont patronise us anymore about terrorism.
Don't wait for a reply.
These guys send mesages only when it suits them
Seeing that I am leaving and I don't care any more what these guys think.I held something back.I will share it with you.In the first Gulf War.
Who killed the most British troops?
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25 Feb 03
Originally posted by missleadthey call it 'friendly fire'...(although it doesnt sound very friendly to me).Whilst we're on the subject, it hasnt escaped my notice that the worst terrorist attack on USA before Sept 11th was in fact perpertrated by an American(re-oaklahoma).but mentioning that 'people in glass houses,shouldn't throw stones'..or perhaps 'the pot calling the kettle black'...is probably wasted. Take care...peter
Peter,my favorit of all time.I love that name.
Don't wait for a reply.
These guys send mesages only when it suits them
Seeing that I am leaving and I don't care any more what these guys think.I held something back.I will share it with you.In the first Gulf War.
Who killed the most British troops?
26 Feb 03
Originally posted by peterhSo some modderator knows best.
they call it 'friendly fire'...(although it doesnt sound very friendly to me).Whilst we're on the subject, it hasnt escaped my notice that the worst terrorist attack on USA before Sept 11th was in fact perpertrated by an American(re-oaklahoma).but mentioning that 'people in glass houses,shouldn't throw stones'..or perhaps 'the pot calling the kettle black'...is probably wasted. Take care...peter
All I said was about sats,and stiil can't see a Union Jack.
You can see now why I move on.
Linda.
27 Feb 03
it hasnt escaped my notice that the worst terrorist attack on USA before Sept 11th was in fact perpertrated by an American(re-oaklahoma).The Oklahoma City bombing brings up a good point. Let's review.
In the seventies, the financial institutions pushed much propaganda to the farmers in the midwest to take out loans. Most farmers got into the mix, either taking out a loan, an additional loan, or refinancing their existing loans. The agricultural community was booming.
The eighties came, and with it pressure was put on the banks from the Federal Reserve (i.e. the wealthy constituents complainded of the interest rates proportion to the inflation rate). Suddenly, the farmers lost their backing from their creditors and their loans were being called in. Most didn't have the resources to pay back the total amount due (often in the millions) and those that did ofter did so at great cost. Thusly, many farms were foreclosed upon. The seized farms were bought up by large agricultural conglomerates (hooray for the world market), putting further pressure on the remainging farms.
Today, agriculture in the midwest is dead. What few independant farms exist live at the mercy of the corporations. They have only one place to sell thier produce to, and must accept whatever price they offer. People whose family had farmed the same land for generations are displaced.
Many farmers have committed suicide over the loss of their way of life. If you do your research, there are truly horrid accounts of the insanity these events have produced (I reccomment "Harvest of Rage" as a comprehensive book on the subject). This is the background that spawned those that bombed Oklahoma City.
So I ask you: Is not our governments actions much in the cause of our "terrorism"? Even the IRA exists for a reason. It is wrong and it is unexcuseable, but didn't just appear without provocation.
Should we be so concerned with the Middle East? Maybe we should consider helping those inside our borders first. Call me crazy.🙄