29 Aug 03
Originally posted by ReaperI am intrigued to know exactly how Genesis has been scientiofically proven correct. According ot this book, wasn't the earth apparently created roughly October 4004 BC, making the earth circa 6,007 years old. Interestingly though, I have held a human skull in my hands that is scientifically proven to be over 100,000 years old - notice the discrepancy?
Hi mmanuel. To answer your question on behalf of Christianity. When scientists looked at the description of creation in the book of Genesis (using the original Hebrew), it describes the sequence of events God took. Asking the question today with our advanced science knowledge, the sequence of Genesis 1 is 100% correct and it goes further by saying that any ...[text shortened]... not work.
NO other religion's holy books gives a description that can be verified by science.
similarly, if the earth is only 6000 years old then I might as well pack in my PhD before i start, because parts of it are based upon evidence dating back 7-8000 years ago
As well as contradicting everything that I have studied over the last four years, I find the whole creationist stance disrespectful towards other world religions/cultures [although i know other religions/cultures can be equally disrespectful] by denouncing their beliefs as incorrect and inferior to christianity.
Mark
29 Aug 03
Originally posted by StarValleyWyI don't know, I haven't read the Bible, but I seem to remember that Noah had to take 2 of every animal that was deemed worthy. For some reason big lizards didn't make the cut.
No they couldn't have died out... Noah took "two of EVERY kind" into the ark. The volumn of the ark had to be that of THREE aircraft carriers. Not possible without Magical intervention. This thing was made of wood. OR... IT IS A MYTH. DUH! I wonder which?
Even the obvious absurdity of the creation myth fails to ignite warning signals. "From Adam ...[text shortened]... likely be reduced to a population of a few thousands again? But nobody cares. Perhaps fittingly.
What makes you say that the Ark had to be 3 x the size of an aircraft carrier? You may be right, just want to know where you got it from. Maybe it was that size. There are apparently very definate instructions for how to build the ark in the Bible. Someone followed them and built a model, and tested said model in a trial of ship designs in BAD sea conditions. Imagine their surprise when, out of all the designs including the most modern, Ark junior was the only one to survive. It is perfect for surviving the worst the sea can throw, even though it was made of (goffer) wood.
The argument about genetic diversity was exactly what I said, so nothing to say there.
Supervolcanoes; interesting topic. But as long as the next one takes more than 70 years then I don't care. It's not as if I believe in an afterlife.
29 Aug 03
Originally posted by mmanuelI'd be interested too in hearing how Genisis has been prven true 100%, because I've never heard anything like that claimed before. On the 6000(ish) year earth, there are theories out there.
I am intrigued to know exactly how Genesis has been scientiofically proven correct. According ot this book, wasn't the earth apparently created roughly October 4004 BC, making the earth circa 6,007 years old. Interestingly though, I have held a human skull in my hands that is scientifically proven to be over 100,000 years old - notice the discrepancy?
s ...[text shortened]... ly disrespectful] by denouncing their beliefs as incorrect and inferior to christianity.
Mark
You say you've held a skull that's 100,000 years old. Again playing devils advocate, shown to be 100,000 years how? See previous posts on radiation dating (both for & against)
How do you get that Christianities claims are somehow disrespective to other religeons? Every religion somehow states that it is different to the others, otherwise they wiuld be a different religeon. And it's not saying they're inferior. Just wrong 😉
29 Aug 03
Originally posted by belgianfreakWe are getting side tracked. I believe the ark and noah and god are a myth. That said...
I don't know, I haven't read the Bible, but I seem to remember that Noah had to take 2 of every animal that was deemed worthy. For some reason big lizards didn't make the cut.
What makes you say that the Ark had to be 3 x the size of an aircraft carrier? You may be right, just want to know where you got it from. Maybe it was that size. There are ...[text shortened]... one takes more than 70 years then I don't care. It's not as if I believe in an afterlife.
The United Nations Environment Programme's (UNEP) Global Biodiversity Assessment is often cited, which estimates the number of described species at approximately 1.75 million. A study done by prominent biologist E.O. Wilson and others estimate known species at approximately 1.4 million. Another more recent study estimates the number at approximately 1.5 million.
Lets be conservative and go with 1.4 million. They are here. Ipso facto, they were on the ark. Assume some 'Average' volume for each assuming that species average size is much smaller, as in insect, than a man. Let's settle on a volumn of say a small mouse as being an average. (probably much smaller, but i dont think this is worth the effort to calculate it.) Who knows? Who cares. Then 40 days of food. Waters not a problem.😛 But room to move about and obtain food and water is a problem. Gunna need some industrial strength 'crap removal' system. I think you get up to quite a volumn without even doing the math. That's the point. One tenth of a cubic meter per species? Less? More? Silly to even try the math because common sense tells us that it is a myth. What's 1.4 million times 1/10th cubic meter. Lot more than a tub built out of olive trees will support. In my mind it looks like about three big carrier ships... at least. How did noah gather up each species? Did god just have them show up at the ark? If god could do that, then why doesn't he just save them "On Site"? Why kill the world with a flood in the first place? Because it was wicked. Duh! Guess who created it. "Geez! The whole place has gone bad. Guess i'll kill it and start over!" Duh!
On three folks... lets all say "Myth" together.. One, Two, Three!
Your attitude on the end of life on earth is typical. Sad to say. And I don't fault you for it. I used to think that everyone cared about life and love and liberty... Silly notion, that. I care enough that i would find it very sad to see humanity die before it gets out of diapers. We will be in knee pants in only a few thousand years if we are brave and strong. Otherwise... why worry about nuclear war? Or rain forests? Or economics? Or evil Corporations?
29 Aug 03
This is clearly a profitless debate, since one side is making arguments tht fall on deaf ears, and the other side is making ridiculous attempts to use the methods of the first side in twisted ways to come to wrong conclusions. Then they start spewing off unsubstantiatedly.
Not saying who's who 😀.
Incidentally, by my quick count (and don't hold me to exact numbers), the accepted holy literature (Bible) has Noah as living to the ripe old age of 969. Damn.
29 Aug 03
Originally posted by StarValleyWyGood post sir. It seems clear that a God concerned so heavily with excretodynamics is an unholy filthmonger 😛.
We are getting side tracked. I believe the ark and noah and god are a myth. That said...
The United Nations Environment Programme's (UNEP) Global Biodiversity Assessment is often cited, which estimates the number of described species at approximately 1.75 million. A study done by prominent biologist E.O. Wilson and others estimate known species at a ...[text shortened]... . Otherwise... why worry about nuclear war? Or rain forests? Or economics? Or evil Corporations?
29 Aug 03
Originally posted by royalchickenDamn! That was Politic! Nicely done. By the way... I didn't catch my remark above about "People trying to learn how to treat chickens like humans" until it was past it's editable life. Nothing personal, old cluck. Just a poor turn of phrase. "Profitless" did you say? "Prophetless" did you say?
This is clearly a profitless debate, since one side is making arguments tht fall on deaf ears, and the other side is making ridiculous attempts to use the methods of the first side in twisted ways to come to wrong conclusions. Then they start spewing off unsubstantiatedly.
Not saying who's who 😀.
Incidentally, by my quick count (and don't hold ...[text shortened]... ers), the accepted holy literature (Bible) has Noah as living to the ripe old age of 969. Damn.
In 969 years, he got to have sex with nothing but wife and kids. Seems pointless and a little sad.
29 Aug 03
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Originally posted by StarValleyWyThank you sir. You, at least, treat some poultry with humanity. There are no prophets here.
Damn! That was Politic! Nicely done. By the way... I didn't catch my remark above about "People trying to learn how to treat chickens like humans" until it was past it's editable life. Nothing personal, old cluck. Just a poor turn ...[text shortened]... with nothing but wife and kids. Seems pointless and a little sad.
he got to have sex with nothing but wife and kids
You quite sure about the last (kids) clause? Ugh......😞
29 Aug 03
Originally posted by royalchickenNoah only took his family.. wife, kids and their spouses. The rest of us came from that unholy brew. God killed everybody else on earth.
Thank you sir. You, at least, treat some poultry with humanity. There are no prophets here.
[b]he got to have sex with nothing but wife and kids
You quite sure about the last (kids) clause? Ugh......😞[/b]
29 Aug 03
Originally posted by StarValleyWyYeah....I'm surprised humans aren't 8 fingers/hand now. Yeah, God gets like that every once and a while. He did some anger management around the time his son was born, and the second volume of his purported diary reveals it. His son got a little sketchy sometimes though.
Noah only took his family.. wife, kids and their spouses. The rest of us came from that unholy brew. God killed everybody else on earth.
29 Aug 03
Originally posted by royalchicken<Staring at his hand in utter unbelief, Mike asks himself the first of several important questions> Uhhhh... You sayin' we ain't post ta have eight fingers on each hand? That what yur' sayin? You seryus? I got ate on one and nan on t'other. Not countin' thums.
Yeah....I'm surprised humans aren't 8 fingers/hand now. Yeah, God gets like that every once and a while. He did some anger management around the time his son was born, and the second volume of his purported diary reveals it. His son got a little sketchy sometimes though.
29 Aug 03
Originally posted by royalchickenShoot. All these years thinking "Pedigree" was just dog food. Hunh! My incestors are better than yours. 😀 What do you meen by "webbed" ones? Don't all fingers got those flabby thingys?
Mike, you can't count the webbed ones as one. I'm seeing 12 on your right hand and 957 on the other. One for each year of great-granddad's life. I myself don't have toes. I lost them all to my a(i?)ncestor's 2.8 million pets.