Elvis - why did he die?

Originally posted by mikelom
Mozart and Mahler endure the test of time. I don't remember the last time I heard Elvis played publicly. In fact, I haven't heard him played for many years. But then, I don't live in the USA where dead horses are flogged!

true. you live in the land where live dogs are flogged to death and eaten.

Originally posted by mikelom
Mozart and Mahler endure the test of time. I don't remember the last time I heard Elvis played publicly. In fact, I haven't heard him played for many years. But then, I don't live in the USA where dead horses are flogged!

You are arguing apples and oranges. Mozart had no sex appeal, could dance and couldn't sing. He could write and play for sure, as could Beethoven, Bach, Chopin, and a plethora of others. But they were in different times in music history.

Originally posted by wormwood
true. you live in the land where live dogs are flogged to death and eaten.

Yes I live here. The rules are not on my agenda. I'm here short term to clearly slice what I can, tax free! And NO - They never heard of Elvis!

Originally posted by shortcircuit
You are arguing apples and oranges. Mozart had no sex appeal, could dance and couldn't sing. He could write and play for sure, as could Beethoven, Bach, Chopin, and a plethora of others. But they were in different times in music history.

Aye! So how has Elvis endured?

Originally posted by mikelom
Aye! So how has Elvis endured?

Because people live vicariously through their past. For many, it conjures up better times from their youth. For others, they simply like the sound he produced. It is the same with the Beatles. Like them or not, they were a revolutionary driving force in the music industry much the same as Elvis was before them. They too will endure.

Originally posted by shortcircuit
Don't you believe your parents thought so? Of course everyone might not agree with your parents. They probably liked Elvis so obviously everything they liked was crap. 😛

you just wish you could be me.

Originally posted by Tyrannosauruschex
you just wish you could believe me.

This is true, but I just can't.

Originally posted by shortcircuit
Because people live vicariously through their past. For many, it conjures up better times from their youth. For others, they simply like the sound he produced. It is the same with the Beatles. Like them or not, they were a revolutionary driving force in the music industry much the same as Elvis was before them. They too will endure.

Suck! Just 'cause you know I'm from Liverpool!... 😉

Originally posted by shortcircuit
Because people live vicariously through their past. For many, it conjures up better times from their youth. For others, they simply like the sound he produced. It is the same with the Beatles. Like them or not, they were a revolutionary driving force in the music industry much the same as Elvis was before them. They too will endure.

elvis was just the safe white boy who made it possible to sell a watered down version of black music to white christian mainstream. he didn't write the songs nor the lyrics. he had a great voice though, but apart from that he contributed nothing but a pretty face.

Originally posted by wormwood
elvis was just the safe white boy who made it possible to sell a watered down version of black music to white christian mainstream. he didn't write the songs nor the lyrics. he had a great voice though, but apart from that he contributed nothing but a pretty face.

No arguement. Never said he was a writer, I said performer...huge difference. If you saw earlier posts, many great writers can't sing or perform. There are those who can perform but can't write. There are lyricists who can't write music and people who can write melodies, but can't pen the lyrics. There are all types in the industry. The truly special ones are those whose talent covers all of the areas. Lennon & McCartney fall into this category.

Originally posted by shortcircuit
No arguement. Never said he was a writer, I said performer...huge difference. If you saw earlier posts, many great writers can't sing or perform. There are those who can perform but can't write. There are lyricists who can't write music and people who can write melodies, but can't pen the lyrics. There are all types in the industry. The truly special on ...[text shortened]... are those whose talent covers all of the areas. Lennon & McCartney fall into this category.

yep, but what I meant was that you can't be a "revolutionary driving force" if you're just performing someone else's material. well, actually you could, if you brought some completely new way of performing the pieces. like if jimi hendrix had performed only covers, he would still have been groundbreaking because he absolutely revolutionized what you could do with an electric guitar. but that's not the case with elvis, he was a crooner like everybody else at that time. if the american society had not been racist, nobody would have bat an eye for elvis.

Originally posted by wormwood
yep, but what I meant was that you can't be a "revolutionary driving force" if you're just performing someone else's material. well, actually you could, if you brought some completely new way of performing the pieces. like if jimi hendrix had performed only covers, he would still have been groundbreaking because he absolutely revolutionized what you could d ...[text shortened]... time. if the american society had not been racist, nobody would have bat an eye for elvis.

Oh, but you are wrong. How many songs did Frank Sinatra write, yet "Old Blue Eyes" is one of the most revered crooners of all time. Elvis revolutionized by performing. Did you for get those swiveling hips? He was a pretty face, but he was a performer, extrodinaire.

Originally posted by shortcircuit
Oh, but you are wrong. How many songs did Frank Sinatra write, yet "Old Blue Eyes" is one of the most revered crooners of all time. Elvis revolutionized by performing. Did you for get those swiveling hips? He was a pretty face, but he was a performer, extrodinaire.

those hips came directly from the black musicians he saw. the ones who would've gotten lynched had they gone and rocked their pelvis at young white women. and no, I don't think that much of sinatra either.

both were good performers, no argument there, but neither of them revolutionized anything.

Originally posted by wormwood
those hips came directly from the black musicians he saw. the ones who would've gotten lynched had they gone and rocked their pelvis at young white women. and no, I don't think that much of sinatra either.

both were good performers, no argument there, but neither of them revolutionized anything.

No, those hips actually were stolen from poor old Forrest Gump. Guess you missed the movie. But, he did make good use of them. 😉

You better not say that too loudly about Sinatra though. You might find yourself wearing a new bowtie. 😉

Originally posted by shortcircuit
No, those hips actually were stolen from poor old Forrest Gump. Guess you missed the movie. But, he did make good use of them. 😉

You better not say that too loudly about Sinatra though. You might find yourself wearing a new bowtie. 😉

Sinatra was crap too! 😏