I've noticed that the size of the populace seems to rise and fall by region in the states . I was in N E Pennsylvania for a couple weeks , and saw maybe 10 women who were not obese . There are pockets in the midwest and southwest where you suddenly feel like you're in an asteroid field made of flesh . Other places there are people so fit and tan everywhere that you think obesity has been out-lawed .
Hungerwise: for an obese person not to eat that extra portion is like a thin person not eating at all for a couple of days.
I hate skinny loud mouthed whimpish fat-nazis trying to run peoples lives... 😠
From Dr Gabe Mirkin http://www.drmirkin.com/nutrition/1133.html
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"A report in the New England Journal of Medicine touts a breakthrough that may lead to a cure for obesity. Researchers at the University of Washington have shown that a hormone, called ghrelin, produced primarily by the stomach, makes you hungry, and that eating drops blood levels of ghrelin to shut off hunger. The researchers showed that blood levels of ghrelin rise just before you eat and drop after you eat. This is what you would expect from a hormone that makes you hungry.
They showed that people who lose weight have higher blood levels of ghrelin, than they did when they were fat. This also supports the theory because the body tends to maintain its ideal weight and when you lose weight, your body should produce more ghrelin to stimulate you to regain the lost weight. Therefore ghrelin makes you fat by causing hunger to make you eat more and slowing your metabolism to make you burn fewer calories.
Previous studies showed that ghrelin is produced primarily by cells in the stomach and a little bit by cells in the upper intestines. Using this information, researchers then studied obese people who had had gastric bypass surgery. In this surgery, a hole in made in the upper stomach, a piece of the intestine is sewn against the stomach hole, and the lower stomach is sewn shut. Therefore, after a person eats, food passes into the uppermost portion of the stomach and then out through a hole, so that the food doesn't even get into the stomach. In gastric bypass patients, food never enters the stomach or upper intestines, the areas that produce ghrelin.
These studies show that today the only really effective way for permanent weight loss for people who are more than 100 pounds overweight is to have gastric bypass surgery.
In the near future, a drug company will probably develop a drug that blocks ghrelin, and that company will sell that more than a trillion dollars a year of that drug.
As of now, any doctor who tells grossly obese people that they are too fat because they eat too much or exercise too little is callous toward the obese person. Being more than 100 pounds overweight is a disease caused by stomach cells that make too much ghrelin, and the only effective treatment today is bypass surgery."
They've known about ghrelin for 10 years and don't do much about it because the the diet industry would go bust. The diet industry have been exposed as fraudsters many times but it's still one of the richest industries in the world.
our NZ government is considering a fast food tax and banning it from TV. They also considered a tax on cows known as fart tax to help with green house emmissions doh! 😳
Originally posted by Tirau DanNot quite.....
Hungerwise: for an obese person not to eat that extra portion is like a thin person not eating at all for a couple of days.
I hate skinny loud mouthed whimpish fat-nazis trying to run peoples lives... 😠
From Dr Gabe Mirkin http://www.drmirkin.com/nutrition/1133.html
abridged..
"A report in the New England Journal of Medicine touts a breakthr ...[text shortened]... They also considered a tax on cows known as fart tax to help with green house emmissions doh! 😳
Ghrelin concentrations in blood are reduced in obese humans compared to lean control subjects, but whether this is cause or effect is not defined. Patients with anorexia nervosa have higher than normal plasma ghrelin levels, which decrease if weight gain occurs.
http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/endocrine/gi/ghrelin.html
Originally posted by Moldy CrowRecced for
I've noticed that the size of the populace seems to rise and fall by region in the states . I was in N E Pennsylvania for a couple weeks , and saw maybe 10 women who were not obese . There are pockets in the midwest and southwest where you suddenly feel like you're in an asteroid field made of flesh . Other places there are people so fit and tan everywhere that you think obesity has been out-lawed .
" an asteroid field made of flesh"
LOL
Originally posted by xsThanks for the site.. which is obviously much more upto date and informed. But they've known about this for 10 or 12yrs and still as quoted " whether this is cause or effect is not defined"
Not quite.....
Ghrelin concentrations in blood are reduced in obese humans compared to lean control subjects, but whether this is cause or effect is not defined. Patients with anorexia nervosa have higher than normal plasma ghrelin levels, which decrease if weight gain occurs.
http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/endocrine/gi/ghrelin.html
It's criminal that given the resourses available, the scientific fraternity still hasn't come up with a simple beneficial pill which makes an obese person feel less hungry. Maybe if we inject some thin politicians with a big enough dose of ghrelin they'd get the idea?
Have you any idea if research is hopeful in this direction or is stomach bypass the answer?
I understand a group in Qld Australia hope to start testing a possible hormonal treatment on humans in less than a year..
Originally posted by RagnorakMy bad, I misread your intention.
That's my point.
How much of the scientific research at the moment is being done by giant multinational pharmas, whose bottom line is profit, not the well being of the customer.
This same pharma co that my gf worked for has an excellent product for one of the tests. It was more accurate, faster, easier, etc, but they couldn't sell it because anothe ...[text shortened]... nd pancakes. How in hell could anybody expect to be thin growing up with a diet like that?
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As another aside, I find it equally worrying to contemplate, not just the manner in which these multinationals are conducting their research, but also the type of thing they are researching. These 'cures' for obesity are the perfect example. Lot's of rich people are fat, so that's where the money goes. Many many people in Africa have Aids or Malaria, but screw them, they have no money.
Originally posted by AlcraIt won't become popular until they can market a pill for "the problem" and make lots of money. 😕
I have now heard everything, and can die happy.
A doctor has now identified the reason for why 30% of Americans are obese.
No, it is not the 4 liters of Coke consumed for breakfast, nor is it the fact that Americans consume more junk food than any other nation.
Oh no, the culprit can now be laid squarely at the door of a VIRUS! Yep, no need to avoid t ...[text shortened]... the WMD of the human body.....
http://sun.science.wayne.edu/~ndhurand/whatIdo.html
Jeez...
Originally posted by RagnorakI have to content that "science" is not a joke. Commercial US pharmaceutical companies may well be unethical, but pure and true science is far from a joke.
Science is a joke. Anything can be proved with selective tests. My girlfriend worked for a giant american pharma company, and when they were testing products, they were told to ignore the tests which didn't give the results that they were looking for. Great. Ah well. At least they weren't anything important like AIDS detection kits. Oh wait, they were. 🙁
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Hey now! I don't want them taking credit for my many years of pouring grease over my morning potatoes! I spent many long and grueling sessions at the table getting to where I am now, just to have some whack-o "scientist" tell me that it isn't my fault! How dare them!
Something gives me the idea that seeing too many fat people in Speedos has gone to this guys head.
-Fatty
Originally posted by Fat mans revengeInteresting that you should say that... I worked with a pipefitter who had arms of spring steel, slim, and was a runner. He was the ideal of the American model. He retired 5 years ago, but before he retired I talked to him about "eating right" and he laughed at me. He said, "When I was a boy, Donnie (he always called me that), my mother would pour bacon grease over our breakfast. Hah! It made the breakfast last longer! And you can throw away all this crap about high cholesterol... don't mean nothing!"
Hey now! I don't want them taking credit for my many years of pouring grease over my morning potatoes! I spent many long and grueling sessions at the table getting to where I am now, just to have some whack-o "scientist" tell ...[text shortened]... o many fat people in Speedos has gone to this guys head.
-Fatty
Well, I ran into this guy last week at the corner gas station, and keep in mind that this dude was still exercising and running in events... but he wanted to show me "his scar", and then he told me that he almost lost his leg cause the main artery to it got plugged up!
GASP! Yeah, so they had to do major surgery on him. I was really shocked cause who would never think that a person who runs every day would have a problem with his arteries plugging??
So I asked him... "How could this happen to you?", and he said, "I don't know. The doctors seem to think that this has been building up in my system since my childhood."
ARGH! Eat bacon, hamburger, cheese and the like, and it appears that it WILL have an affect on you sooner or later. 🙁