09 Nov 04
Originally posted by KneverKnightI'll be waiting. IE is the most insecure browser on the plant at it's default settings. You can make IE much more secure by changing the defaults but it is easier and wiser to just use FireFox or Opera.
I'm pretty sure I read it on their own site, if I find it, I'll post the link here.
Feivel
09 Nov 04
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Originally posted by FeivelNope, can't find it on their site so I withdraw my claim. Here's a link that touches upon the topic.
I'll be waiting. IE is the most insecure browser on the plant at it's default settings. You can make IE much more secure by changing the defaults but it is easier and wiser to just use FireFox or Opera.
Feivel
http://www.answerbag.com/q_view.php/10066
Also, if everybody used Firefox (or any other browser) that browser would attract more attention from the hackers.
"Mozilla acknowledged that much of the value of using its software, or that of Opera, stemmed from the hazards of monoculture rather than any inherent security superiority"
That quote is from here :http://news.com.com/IE+flaw+may+boost+rival+browsers/2100-7355_3-5250697.html?tag=nl
09 Nov 04
Originally posted by KneverKnightThat is true to some degree but please note the word MOST. The security would still be better if everybody used Firefox (or Opera). Do you have any idea why you can uninstall Firefox or Opera but not IE? IE is fully integrated into the OS and that is one of the largest reasons that a malicious hacker can and will target IE. Of course popularity has something to do with it, to deny that would be sheer foolishness but to think IE is as secure or almost as secure as Firefox or Opera is totally false. I am not saying that the quote is wrong. I am saying that you "misread" the quote and totally missed out on the word MUCH.
"Mozilla acknowledged that much of the value of using its software, or that of Opera, stemmed from the hazards of monoculture rather than any inherent security superiority"
That quote is from here :http://news.com.com/IE+flaw+may+boost+rival+browsers/2100-7355_3-5250697.html?tag=nl
Feivel
09 Nov 04
Originally posted by KneverKnightOk...I'm going out on a limb here but I will say you have no idea what your saying and you are just parotting what you heard or read somewhere.
It still reads that the main danger stems from monoculture and that Firefox isn't any more inherently secure. Of course, in practice Firefox *is* more secure because it is less targetted by hackers, plus it has other features which make it an attractive alternative to IE.
Feivel
09 Nov 04
Originally posted by FeivelSeems plain: Mozilla is reported to have claimed that Firefox isn't inherently any more secure than IE. If you are still having trouble comprehending this, look at the previously posted links. If you still don't see it, *meh*
Ok...I'm going out on a limb here but I will say you have no idea what your saying and you are just parotting what you heard or read somewhere.
Feivel
09 Nov 04
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Originally posted by KneverKnightThat's not what Mozilla have reported. I quote: "Non-Microsoft browsers, such as the Opera browser and the Mozilla and Firefox browsers made by the Mozilla Foundation, don't have many of the vulnerable technologies and tend to focus more on just providing Internet browsing features, keeping the project size smaller"
Seems plain: Mozilla is reported to have claimed that Firefox isn't inherently any more secure than IE. If you are still having trouble comprehending this, look at the previously posted links. If you still don't see it, *meh*
Also...
"Mozilla acknowledged that much of the value of using its software, or that of Opera, stemmed from the hazards of monoculture rather than any inherent security superiority."
That doesn't mean that there are no inherent security superiority (especially note the word much)
Further down the same article...
"But Mozilla claims some inherent security advantages as well. Internet Explorer is a fat target for attackers, in large part because it supports powerful, propriety Microsoft technologies that are notoriously weak on security, like ActiveX."
*meh* 😉
09 Nov 04
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Originally posted by fawcr01Then they've changed their tune.
That's not what Mozilla have reported. I quote: "Non-Microsoft browsers, such as the Opera browser and the Mozilla and Firefox browsers made by the Mozilla Foundation, don't have many of the vulnerable technologies and tend to focus ...[text shortened]... are notoriously weak on security, like ActiveX."
*meh* 😉
Edit: I use Firefox myself and I like it just fine, one reason is that it is less well known to hackers. I'm wary of claims made by anybody with a product to push.
09 Nov 04
Originally posted by KneverKnightGood point about being wary about those with a product to push. Anyway, I'd read enough of the hype so decided to download it myself.
Then they've changed their tune.
Edit: I use Firefox myself and I like it just fine, one reason is that it is less well known to hackers. I'm wary of claims made by anybody with a product to push.
The cosmetics of it aren't much different to IE. Biggest improvement I can see is the use of tabs rather than needing a seperate window for each page. One drawback is View->Source. In IE, this opened in Notepad (and was therefore editable). In Firefox you've got to copy and paste to notepad. Just a minor niggle.
As for security, it surely can't be any worse than IE, so I'm classing that as an automatic plus point. 🙂
Haven't looked at any of the developer stuff yet.
Overall, a cautious thumbs up.
10 Nov 04
Originally posted by fawcr01I like the way Firefox handles downloads and the "housekeeping" interface (cleaning cookies etc) Plus, I don't use tabbed browsing so the screen is a little bit bigger than IE
Good point about being wary about those with a product to push. Anyway, I'd read enough of the hype so decided to download it myself.
The cosmetics of it aren't much different to IE. Biggest improvement I can see is the use of tabs rather than needing a seperate window for each page. One drawback is View->Source. In IE, this opened in Notepad (and w ...[text shortened]... oint. 🙂
Haven't looked at any of the developer stuff yet.
Overall, a cautious thumbs up.
10 Nov 04
Originally posted by KneverKnightThat may very well be one reason. Also, most hackers target the programs that are most widely used in order to spread more malice. It would be no fun exploiting a security hole in Pegasus mail or Opera when everybody uses Outlook and IE.
I use Firefox myself and I like it just fine, one reason is that it is less well known to hackers. I'm wary of claims made by anybody with a product to push.
10 Nov 04
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Originally posted by DCSYes
Russ, is it possible to use both opera and firefox without causing trouble for the system? or do i have to uninstall opera to use firefox? i'm using windows xp sp2. i'll appreciate if i could get an honest answer.
I have 4 browsers installed on a Win XP system (one of which is Firefox),
This helps me keep my sanity when testing - as I can have 4 users interacting with the system at the same time.
So, the answer is yes.
But one will need to be your default browser.
-Russ
10 Nov 04
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Originally posted by RussK.
Yes
I have 4 browsers installed on a Win XP system (one of which is Firefox),
This helps me keep my sanity when testing - as I can have 4 users interacting with the system at the same time.
So, the answer is yes.
But one will need to be your default browser.
-Russ
Thanx Russ
*Edit: I've now tried Mozilla Firefox 1.0. It works smooth and very quickly. it's speed can even compete with opera, maybe even quicker. Firefox is great. I hate really. really, really hate IE. And i try to avoid it as much as humanly possible.
10 Nov 04
I also run several browsers: Mozilla, IE(yuk, but needs must...), Firebird (admitedly not often), Firefox and Opera as I works on websites and need to test multiple platforms.
I use Mozilla as my default and have never had any problems, although I am considering supporting the Firefox launch by choosing this as my default instead, more thinking on this to be done soon. An important issue also is the accessibility standards which IE pays very little regard to at all and as such should be erased from the internet completely in my opinion. They can't even get the box rule right for god's sake!