@relentless-red saidNo it isn’t the “opposite”.
The opposite of being bold, forthright and courageous is being cautious and thoughtful and taking care of your impact on others.
The opposite of “being bold, forthright and courageous” is being hesitant, furtive and fearful.
I think what you are trying to do here, in these two snippets which I’ve pulled out, is create a sort of straw man false dichotomy such that you can position virtuous reasoning and behaviour as being the “opposite” of the incisive, forthright and bold posting which you are sometimes the recipient of and which seems to twist your metaphorical panties into knots.
@divegeester saidI do believe between you and fmf you guys are starting to get ahead of me on the red thumbs. 😉
Ooh look a red thumb already!
Must be rubbing more people the wrong way than I am, I'll have to work on that! 🙂
-VR
@relentless-red saidRelentless Red,
For every human quality you can construct an opposite quality.
The opposite of being true to your beliefs is being able to know when you must change your thinking.
The opposite of being bold, forthright and courageous is being cautious and thoughtful and taking care of your impact on others.
If you believe there is a time and a place for every quality as oppos ...[text shortened]... position and join in a process of collective thought and growth which by definition requires change.
It's difficult to see how this post has much, if anything, to do with hypocrisy.
And you not addressing any of the responses would seem to indicate that you know it too.
If you want to have another stab at it, feel free.
09 Apr 21
@torunn said"Hypocrisy" is engaging in the same behaviour for which one criticizes another person. It's normally considered to be unethical. Perhaps you don't agree? Even if being hypocritical were a "tactical" thing, like you suggest, it would still be unethical.
@FMF
If hypocritical to some extent is being tactical, then I feel that online we don't have to be that. We can say exactly what we feel is our true selves, or nothing at all. Offline, among people, we may have to show tact, consideration, diplomacy and sometimes (white) lies.
09 Apr 21
If a Brexiteer who has very publicly criticized people for saying that Brexit will destabilise Northern Ireland, starts saying that people overlooked the Irish situation when they campaigned for Brexit, are they a hypocrite or are they showing a capacity to reflect and change? What are the ethics of sticking steadfastly to a position to avoid being called a hypocrite when backing down might be for the greater good?
@fmf saidDepends on the given situation. Pro's & Con's🤷♂️🚬
"Hypocrisy" is engaging in the same behaviour for which one criticizes another person. It's normally considered to be unethical. Perhaps you don't agree? Even if being hypocritical were a "tactical" thing, like you suggest, it would still be unethical.
@relentless-red saidYou keep coming with these strawman false dichotomies which aren’t specifically about hypocrisy.
If a Brexiteer who has very publicly criticized people for saying that Brexit will destabilise Northern Ireland, starts saying that people overlooked the Irish situation when they campaigned for Brexit, are they a hypocrite or are they showing a capacity to reflect and change? What are the ethics of sticking steadfastly to a position to avoid being called a hypocrite when backing down might be for the greater good?
An example of hypocrisy is simultaneously criticising a person for saying one thing and doing the very same thing oneself.
If one changes one’s mind about the thing one is criticising and starts supporting it, then the criticising and the doing are no longer simultaneous.
Another more pertinent example of hypocrisy would be Duchess64 who this week attacked me for “hurling insults” at her when she is without doubt one of the biggest exponents of “hurling insults”.
To demonstrate the point I asked her 9 times if she disapproved in principle of posters “hurling insults” and 9 times she dodged the question. I think the point was made.
@divegeester saidYou'll never get that Puppy down - totally blinkered that one.
Another more pertinent example of hypocrisy would be Duchess64 who this week attacked me for “hurling insults” at her when she is without doubt one of the biggest exponents of “hurling insults”.
To demonstrate the point I asked her 9 times if she disapproved in principle of posters “hurling insults” and 9 times she dodged the question. I think the point was made.
@divegeester saidHow much leeway is there in simultaneous? Obviously no two statements can be made by the same person at exactly the same time, so how far back is it okay to look for the contradiction? Do you think fear of being called a hypocrite or accused of u turns ever pushes people away from ethical behaviour?
You keep coming with these strawman false dichotomies which aren’t specifically about hypocrisy.
An example of hypocrisy is simultaneously criticising a person for saying one thing and doing the very same thing oneself.
If one changes one’s mind about the thing one is criticising and starts supporting it, then the criticising and the doing are no longer simultaneous.
@relentless-red saidI’m not worried about anyone scrutinising my posting ethics and honesty. You knock yourself out if you fancy it.
How much leeway is there in simultaneous? Obviously no two statements can be made by the same person at exactly the same time, so how far back is it okay to look for the contradiction? Do you think fear of being called a hypocrite or accused of u turns ever pushes people away from ethical behaviour?
I don’t know about contradictions of time and how much time is acceptable, I think your tilting at windmills with that tact tbh.
@relentless-red saidChanging one's mind about a political issue is not hypocrisy. Changing one's mind about a political issue is not unethical unless, in some way, it involves corruption or involves deception.
If a Brexiteer who has very publicly criticized people for saying that Brexit will destabilise Northern Ireland, starts saying that people overlooked the Irish situation when they campaigned for Brexit, are they a hypocrite or are they showing a capacity to reflect and change? What are the ethics of sticking steadfastly to a position to avoid being called a hypocrite when backing down might be for the greater good?
Do you have some personal, non-conventional definition of "hypocrisy" that you are using?