Originally posted by ToeToe: your logic is interesting, let me have a go too:
Hmmm... Try replacing country with person, and we have marrage instead of patriotism:
"Love of one person leads to hate of another."
Does it really follow?
Hmmm... Try replacing "does it" with "it does", and we have agreement instead of disagreement:
It does really follow.
Thanks Toe ! Now you agree with me!
Seriously though, it is interesting what you have done:
we have a statement:
"Love of one country leads to hate of another"
To test the validity of this you substitute one noun for another.
"Love of one person leads to hate of another."
we could try the same phrase with football teams:
"Love of one football team leads to hate of another."
Many football players would agree with this! This is the nature of loving football teams. For your team to win - the other team must lose.
how about chess games:
"Love of one chess game leads to hate of another." ???
It does not work here: the nature of love of a well played chess game is such that you are more likely to love the nature of other great chess games as well.
Clearly the method is ineffective.
Changing the noun to which love is applied changes the nature of love, and changes the validity of the statement.
In my experience people who love their own country to the extreme that patriotism represents, seem to start hating other countries.
The nature of love within a marriage is much more unfathomable to me.
Originally posted by flexmoreIndeed Flexmore, there are many 'holes' in my simplistic reshaping of the argument. I picked marrage for a reason though: love in a marrage can lead to hate (in cases of broken marrages, infidelity, jealousy and so on). It just doesn't have to. And marrage is a mental construct as are the notions of what defines a nation.
Toe: your logic is interesting, let me have a go too...
But we still don't consider marrage to be "bad" in the same way that many consider nationalism to be bad, even though both their love/hate relationships have positive and negative associations.