14 Oct 11
I coach the local high school chess team. Before every game they are coached to shake hands and say good luck (and mean it).
Not I hope you win. Good luck.
And yes there is no "luck" in chess - please don't.
But "I hope you don't drop your queen or do something really stupid and let down your teammates."
"Let's play great and the best player win."
After the game - win or lose it is another handshake and gg. Or thanks for the game. Or "hey - nicely done!"
They are taught that if you are not winning half and losing half you are probably playing the wrong competition.
So of course here I always say good luck with my first white move and gg or nicely done when I resign (which is a lot lately).
Easily 80 - 90% of the time I get no response. No hello. No yeah good game. No nothing.
Am I just on the wrong track here. Is courtesy and "hey good game" trite and showing I am soft and chatty? Silly? Lame? Is it not kind of what we expect of each other? It seems not exactly disrespectful - but more like I am just playing my computer.
What is the protocol at RHP when it comes to courtesy?
It takes two to play right? The opponent is not your enemy - they are your partner. Who wants to read chess books and practice all day? I want to play and that takes someone else.
Any thoughts out there?
Thanks
r
14 Oct 11
Originally posted by rahyterSometimes people have big gameloads, so little time for comment,then there are non-english players who dont feel confident responding, and prolly a lot who appreciate your comments without responding.
I coach the local high school chess team. Before every game they are coached to shake hands and say good luck (and mean it).
Not I hope you win. Good luck.
And yes there is no "luck" in chess - please don't.
But "I hope you don't drop your queen or do something really stupid and let down your teammates."
"Let's play great and the best player ...[text shortened]... ant to play and that takes someone else.
Any thoughts out there?
Thanks
r
I always reply and usually initiate a "hey gg", but sometimes when I have been on the run I've just had to make moves without having the time to respond.
just some thoughts.
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15 Oct 11
Originally posted by rookie54I preface all my games with "good luck" and when I loose, which is more often than not, I congratulate my opponents/partners...just good manners says I.
i have done the same for nearly three years...
az long az i conduct myself in the manner that i desire for myself, that iz good enough for me...
good luck in raising the standards of the world...
you are doing well so far...
fancy a game???
rookie
Originally posted by rahyterNoble undertaking, rhayter, but how about forgetting all the hand around the elbow disenguous chit chat... and set out to teach these teenagers that adults also appreciate integrity and straight talk. At the beginning of a chess game simply speak honestly with a little manhood, good manners and poise: "Wishing us both an enjoyable conversation and game." If you're opponent is having a rough go, extend the courtesy of a brief in-game message to encourage them and preserve their self esteem with words to the effect, "Worst that can happen to any chess player is to lose... then we can always play a new game." By the way, my mentors always taught 1) Play opponents stronger than yourself when young, your own age in your prime and then teach younger players when you're growing old to pay it forward by investing what you have learned during your own lifetime; 2) Win = 1... Draw = 1/2... Loss = zero. Their point was that wins and draws should ideally exceed 75 to 80%. Virtue of patience also mattered to them. My early Russian and Jewish mentors would look down and be pleased that own RHP record still reflects 79% wins and draws with 21% losses.
I coach the local high school chess team. Before every game they are coached to shake hands and say good luck (and mean it).
Not I hope you win. Good luck.
And yes there is no "luck" in chess - please don't.
But "I hope you don't drop your queen or do something really stupid and let down your teammates."
"Let's play great and the best player w play and that takes someone else.
Any thoughts out there?
Thanks
r[/b]
gb
15 Oct 11
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyI will give all of that some thought. Thank you for taking the time GB.
Noble undertaking, rhayter, but how about forgetting all the hand around the elbow disenguous chit chat... and set out to teach these teenagers that adults also appreciate integrity and straight talk. At the beginning of a chess game simply speak honestly with a little manhood, good manners and poise: "Wishing us both an enjoyable conversation and game. ...[text shortened]... d be pleased that own RHP record still reflects 79% wins and draws with 21% losses.
gb
15 Oct 11
Originally posted by karoly aczelYes I expect time is one of the factors. Good point.
Sometimes people have big gameloads, so little time for comment,then there are non-english players who dont feel confident responding, and prolly a lot who appreciate your comments without responding.
I always reply and usually initiate a "hey gg", but sometimes when I have been on the run I've just had to make moves without having the time to respond.
just some thoughts.
15 Oct 11
Originally posted by rahyterA few points to add...:
I coach the local high school chess team. Before every game they are coached to shake hands and say good luck (and mean it).
Not I hope you win. Good luck.
And yes there is no "luck" in chess - please don't.
But "I hope you don't drop your queen or do something really stupid and let down your teammates."
"Let's play great and the best player ...[text shortened]... ant to play and that takes someone else.
Any thoughts out there?
Thanks
r
1. If you expect full conversation on every move of a game then YOU are not concentrating fully.
2. This is not OTB, and a shake of hands....... well....
3. If you believe there is no luck in a chess game, then resign as soon as you feel threatened and defeated.
4. This is correspndence chess, and I re-iterate not OTB. If you expect responses, why exactly?
5. The opponent's moves are your enemy, not a partnership in the game.
6. I read chess books daily, and play.
7. You've moved 10,000 moves plus, so if you are missing the protocol of 'Hey, good game!' or no response at all, you should know by now and have put this in the chess forum, not general!!
-m.
15 Oct 11
I've had big game loads but I always make time to wish a 'bonne chance'..in fact if folk start up conversation I'll carry on with that, no matter how 'busy' it gets. French also, I'll give it my best shot but 'gg' is universal..trust me on that, language is no excuse. 'Common courtesy' is always nice, alas maybe 50% don't have any...
15 Oct 11
Originally posted by mikelomGood luck and gg were all I was talking about in the original post - not a conversation.
A few points to add...:
1. If you expect full conversation on every move of a game then YOU are not concentrating fully.
2. This is not OTB, and a shake of hands....... well....
3. If you believe there is no luck in a chess game, then resign as soon as you feel threatened and defeated.
4. This is correspndence chess, and I re-iterate not OTB. If ...[text shortened]... se at all, you should know by now and have put this in the chess forum, not general!!
-m.
I do not believe there is luck in chess, I believe there are good moves, better moves and poor moves. Luck implies a random chance of a dice or card games. While those game are certainly skill games also, when you play those games you always have to take into account the randomness of how the cards fall. Nothing happens in a chess game that is not a direct result of a decision someone made.
You may be right about the opponent moves being the enemy - but I don't believe that and never have. It is probably semantics - winning is not the goal for me - playing is. I want to play chess - not "have played and won".
Don't understand the forum choice part but I have not ventured over here a lot. I don't have a chess question - I have a RHP protocol question. But you are probably right about that too so thanks for the feedback.
All and all what I was hoping for is some conversation and differing viewpoints and that is what we got so I am very happy how all this worked out.
15 Oct 11
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Originally posted by rahytermaybe its the romantic in me, but i think chess players should all wear shirts and ties
I coach the local high school chess team. Before every game they are coached to shake hands and say good luck (and mean it).
Not I hope you win. Good luck.
And yes there is no "luck" in chess - please don't.
But "I hope you don't drop your queen or do something really stupid and let down your teammates."
"Let's play great and the best player ant to play and that takes someone else.
Any thoughts out there?
Thanks
r
and suits when playing OTB, no sneakers allowed. It always pains me to see Grishchuk
playing unshaven and looking like Shaggy from Scooby doo, Anand also in his boiler
suit. Its well known that chicks dig kilts and sharp dressed men, this would take chess
out of Geekdom and into superstatus. As for lack of decorum, it is a reflection of a
lack of manners and after having to write so many punishment exercises at school,
one of which was,, 'manners maketh the man', one hundred and fifty times (this was
not heavy punishment, once i got a thousand and twenty four after i photocopied the
lines and hid them under the written ones), i can vouch for its efficacy, produced
through bitter experience. Manners make men and chess players, not straight talking!
15 Oct 11
Originally posted by rahyterThere is everything right in offering gg etc. But to expect it is a little large on www, and not across a game otb, which is always offered.
Good luck and gg were all I was talking about in the original post - not a conversation.
I do not believe there is luck in chess, I believe there are good moves, better moves and poor moves. Luck implies a random chance of a dice or card games. While those game are certainly skill games also, when you play those games you always have to take into account ...[text shortened]... nd differing viewpoints and that is what we got so I am very happy how all this worked out.
Believe that there is luck in chess! An opponent so luxurious in options can dearly make fatal mistakes. If you don't have belief in that then, in my humble opinion, you shouldn't be coaching! There are random chances of your opponent obliterating his master plan, and his plan B, in 1 move. Are we saying decisions made are always perfect????......... far from it!
If playing and not winning is your goal, why would you coach losers?
Sad, but true...
-m.