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In your personal experiences over the years, what are the near and longer term effects
of extreme fatigue on the function of the conscious and subconscious human mind?

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Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
I believe dreams are just the unconscious brain getting rid of information it doesn't need to hang onto. A 'sleep dustbin' if you like. (Which is why we usually forget dreams when we wake up, or only have a hazy recollection of them). In short, we're not mean't to remember them. (It's like going to the trash bin and taking out something we've already ...[text shortened]... rid of random information we already know, how could they ever tell us anything we don't know?!
Well, if dreaming is merely the discarding of needless information we've gathered from our senses, then a dream about something we did not know by way of our senses would not be part of that process.

Is having such a dream possible?

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What I find "amazing" is the idea that one can dream a dream about a previously unknown thing.

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Originally posted by Startreader
To have such a dream will be a great gift.
Truly.

It implies that such a dream was planted in one's mind by an outside agency.

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Originally posted by josephw
Truly.

It implies that such a dream was planted in one's mind by an outside agency.
One could fall asleep in front of the TV, hear something, and the scrap of information could turn up in a jumble of ideas (a dream) at some later point, but one would be ill-advised to look upon this idea as being "a dream about a previously unknown thing".

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Originally posted by josephw
What I find "amazing" is the idea that one can dream a dream about a previously unknown thing.
My own experience as well: "a previously unknown thing" and long since forgotten places or persons.

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Originally posted by FMF
One could fall asleep in front of the TV, hear something, and the scrap of information could turn up in a jumble of ideas (a dream) at some later point, but one would be ill-advised to look upon this idea as being "a dream about a previously unknown thing".
True.

But what of the possibility of having a "dream" not caused by information gathered by the senses?

I'm merely suggesting that if such a thing is possible, then such a "dream" would have to be planted in the mind by an outside agency.

Unless you have another suggestion?

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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
My own experience as well: "a previously unknown thing" and long since forgotten places or persons.
I can't say that I've ever had a dream like that. I think if I did I would have been frightened by it.

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Originally posted by josephw
I can't say that I've ever had a dream like that. I think if I did I would have been frightened by it.
Ever consider the possibility that some nightmares may not be negative in terms of their beneficial impact on our lives?

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Originally posted by josephw
But what of the possibility of having a "dream" not caused by information gathered by the senses?
I basically concur with Ghost of a Duke in his characterization of what dreams actually are and what they consist of.

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Originally posted by josephw
I'm merely suggesting that if such a thing is possible, then such a "dream" would have to be planted in the mind by an outside agency.
Planted? By a TV set, a radio, a conversation overheard but not paid attention to at the time, a long 'forgotten' magazine article you once read ~ that kind of thing?

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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Ever consider the possibility that some nightmares may not be negative in terms of their beneficial impact on our lives?
Well, no, but how would I know? Truth is I place no stock in my dreams one way or the other. Dreams and the subconscious are just mysteries to me. Entertaining to explore and discuss, but who really knows. I sure don't. I know they exist, but I don't know how or why, and I don't think anyone else does either.

Ecclesiastes 5:33a
For a dream cometh through the multitude of business;

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Originally posted by FMF
Planted? By a TV set, a radio, a conversation overheard but not paid attention to at the time, a long 'forgotten' magazine article you once read ~ that kind of thing?
I think you're missing a part of what I said.

What about a dream that isn't caused by any information gathered through the senses? I've never had one as far as I know. Have you?

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Originally posted by FMF
I basically concur with Ghost of a Duke in his characterization of what dreams actually are and what they consist of.
Good enough for me.

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Originally posted by josephw
I think you're missing a part of what I said.

What about a dream that isn't caused by any information gathered through the senses? I've never had one as far as I know. Have you?
You seem to be saying something along the lines of '...if it had been planted by an outside agency then it would have been planted by an outside agency and wouldn't that be interesting' which sounds a bit like the kind of speculation that leads to belief in supernatural things. I have never had any convincing reason to believe that anyone's dream was caused by information not gathered through the senses.

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