Originally posted by GHOST HUNTERYes he was caught underhandedly attempting to substantiate his clams with fabricated statistics, his floundering antics and ham acting afterwards merely compounded his guilt. One must remember what we are dealing with, a propaganda machine but I have to admit it was refreshing to see him get caught out when attempting to palm off these clearly made up statistics.
hes a pathetic liar, does not have the courage to admit it
i don't know why we waste our time on him
totally boring posts, no sense of humour, lives and breathes to mock other's, what a sad life he has.
probably our taxes pay for his rent tobacco and cider, getting his "facts" from jeremy each morning
02 Feb 16
Originally posted by GHOST HUNTERLike I said on page 165:
other reasons?
[Some possible non-mental illness causes of suicide] cases of terminal illnesses and/or chronic pain or with the diagnosis or onset of irreversible dementia
To those I would add:
Stuff like trauma, eating disorders, things like business failure, alcohol and drugs ~ many cases of which would overlap with mental health issues presumably.
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02 Feb 16
'Mental Illness' covers a wide spectrum. (Including 'grief,' which is aligned to depression). It wouldn't surprise me at all if 9 out of 10 suicides had a link to mental illness, of one kind or another. - Of course there are rational causations, including terminal illness etc, but mental health issues are accountable for the majority. Sadly this is not just a personal opinion but is heavily substantiated by fact. (Indeed, even suicide due to a diagnosis of a terminal illness will probably have a mental health factor attached to it, especially episodes of depression and despair).
People in good mental health, not afflicted with delusions, despair or depression, tend not to take their own lives.
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Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeI still really wonder about this because predisposition is not the same as causation. What this means is that even if we have a mental ailment/condition which predisposes us to have suicidal tendencies we ultimately must make the decision to end our lives ourselves and even if one can cite mental illness as a contributing factor there must still be a degree of personal responsibility involved (unless we are actually insane). For example, Indian farmers have committed suicide by the thousand because of getting into debt. It is their economic situation which provided a catalyst to their mental state and thus they become depressed and contemplated suicide. Their mental state is not a causation, its merely a symptom of their circumstances.
'Mental Illness' covers a wide spectrum. (Including 'grief,' which is aligned to depression). It wouldn't surprise me at all if 9 out of 10 suicides had a link to mental illness, of one kind or another. - Of course there are rational causations, including terminal illness etc, but mental health issues are accountable for the majority. Sadly this is n ...[text shortened]... l health, not afflicted with delusions, despair or depression, tend not to take their own lives.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieA few pertinent questions that you have no need to answer:
For example, Indian farmers have committed suicide by the thousand because of getting into debt. It is their economic situation which provided a catalyst to their mental state and thus they become depressed and contemplated suicide.
[1] How many thousands ~ or hundreds and hundreds of thousands ~ of Indian farmers who get into debt don't commit suicide or don't become depressed? Might mental illness v good mental health be a contributing factor?
[2] When you use the word "depressed" are you talking about clinical depression or are you talking about people feeling sad and disappointed about their predicament or are you just lumping both in together?
[3] What kind of mental health services do Indian farmers who get in to debt have access to?
As I say, I think these are things worth thinking about. No need to answer.
02 Feb 16
Originally posted by FMFNo idea.
A few pertinent questions that you have no need to answer:
[1] How many thousands ~ or hundreds and hundreds of thousands of Indian farmers who get into debt don't commit suicide or don't become depressed?
[2] When you use the word "depressed" are you talking about clinical depression or are you talking about people feeling sad and disappointed about their ...[text shortened]... t have access to?
As I say, I think these are things worth thinking about. No need to answer.
I have not specified any kind of depression.
I have no idea, why don't you do your own research.
02 Feb 16
Originally posted by robbie carrobieBut you've talked about "Indian farmers [who] committed suicide by the thousand because of getting into debt" several times before. Are you not then curious as to [1] what their mental health status actually was, and [2] what access they had to mental health services?
I have no idea, why don't you do your own research.
02 Feb 16
Originally posted by FMFbecause i do not have the inclination to go through every type of depressive ailment known to man.
That's interesting. Why not? Do you perceive clinical depression and people feeling sad and disappointed to be different, especially in the context of a discussion about suicide?
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Originally posted by FMFWhat do you mean, his "behaviour"?
What do you make of GHOST HUNTER's behaviour these last three or four pages, as a matter of interest?
Ghost Hunter has talked total sense. You don't like it because he calls you out on your bullying and your own deplorable "behaviour".