04 Feb 05
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There are two different kinds of moderators, actually.
One is a Forum Moderator, who basically polices here in the Forums, responding to alerted posts, etc.
Then there are the Game Moderators, who investigate games in question.
This is my interpretation and your questions are good ones. However, I believe that the Final Word comes from RUSS with regards to cheaters, banning, etc. with input from the Mods.
Here's the who's who linkage - http://www.redhotpawn.com/comhub/volunteers.php
04 Feb 05
i could only agree with the idea of a moderator, or an official for that matter.
we are here wasting hours of our life because of our passion for chess. like it or not, it's an emotional investement. and it's pointless to have people abusing everybody's good faith.
nevertheless, the rules should be clear to everyone. and written down.
what do you think?
04 Feb 05
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Originally posted by ulysses soulYou sould probably read the Terms of Service, if you did not when you signed up for the site.
i could only agree with the idea of a moderator, or an official for that matter.
we are here wasting hours of our life because of our passion for chess. like it or not, it's an emotional investement. and it's pointless to have pe ...[text shortened]... ould be clear to everyone. and written down.
what do you think?
http://www.redhotpawn.com/myhome/termsofservice.php
I read them once a day just to stay 'fresh'. 😉
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04 Feb 05
Originally posted by ulysses soulThe moderators are new, so not yet included in the TOS. But that is really unimportant, since the potential termination of your account is at RHP's sole discretion anyway.
what does it say in terms of moderators to the games?
and the guidelines to declare a game as cheated?
The moderators will have to present to Russ overwelming evidence of engine use in a series of games. One game in unlikely to provide sufficient evidence.
If they are smart, the exact criteria used by the moderators will remain secret. It would be self-defeating to inform potential cheats exactly how they are going to get caught...
04 Feb 05
Originally posted by ulysses soulWho said RHP was democratic? 😵 This is a business. We're subscribers not shareholders.
that is plain stupid and undemocratic.
The TOS says you can't use an engine to play your moves. If you don't use an engine to play your moves, the chances of you matching an engine move after move, game after games is statistically impossible. So relax.... unless, of course, you ARE using an engine, in which case... ðŸ˜
So, if in the considered opinion of the game moderators you are using an engine, and if Russ concurs, there is very little you can do. You won't be arrested, imprisoned, or lethally injected. The worst that will happen is that you will have to play your chess elsewhere.
04 Feb 05
this is a business.
and as in any other business, is based on the promise of providing a service in return of you money.
and although your country has only recentely understood the need for democracy, the rest of the world has long history of fighting for it.
there is no future for Big Brothers or sad Saddam immitations.
and a man fights for his believes.
no need to reply
04 Feb 05
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Originally posted by ulysses soulHey, why you making it personal?
this is a business.
and as in any other business, is based on the promise of providing a service in return of you money.
and although your country has only recentely understood the need for democracy, the rest of the world has lo ...[text shortened]... tations.
and a man fights for his believes.
no need to reply
You asked the questions. I gave the answers. A simple "Thanks" would have done nicely.
South Africa is where I now live. I was born in Wallasey, Merseyside, UK. And FYI, South Africa also has a long and more recent history of fighting for democracy - something we Brits have not had to do for hundreds of years.
You are the one who confused business with democracy, not me.
05 Feb 05
Originally posted by GatecrasherWhile the termination of anybody's account is, of course, at RHP's discretion, it would be bad business to teminate accounts for whimiscal reasons. We're actually not just merely customers here, in a real sense we're RHP's PRODUCT; people join to play chess here and who do they play against? Us. Of course, the whole rationale behind the Game Mods is that people want to play other players, not engines, so the Game Mods are here to protect the interests of the players here.
The moderators are new, so not yet included in the TOS. But that is really unimportant, since the potential termination of your account is at RHP's sole discretion anyway.
The moderators will have to present to Russ overwelming evidence of engine use in a series of games. One game in unlikely to provide sufficient evidence.
If they are smart, the ...[text shortened]... t would be self-defeating to inform potential cheats exactly how they are going to get caught...
While "exact criteria" need not be specified, I've stated before that accused players should be confronted with the evidence against them and given a chance to defend themselves. This to me is only simple fairness. While it's true the consequences of a finding are "merely" a banishing from the site, many here would find that a certainly unpleasant result. I would also prefer if some guidelines as to what evidence will be considered by the Game Mods in their determinations be publicized; after all, we have been told to report cheating accusations via feedback - it is only reasonable that we have some idea as to what we should report (Russ did ask us to be precise). Therefore, I hope the Game Mods will put together a rough outline of what they will consider persuasive evidence so that we can all be confident that the goal of reducing engine use here is being rigorously pursued, but that the non-cheating player has nothing to fear.
05 Feb 05
Originally posted by no1marauderYeah, what that man said! 😉
While the termination of anybody's account is, of course, at RHP's discretion, it would be bad business to teminate accounts for whimiscal reasons. We're actually not just merely customers here, in a real sense we're RHP's PRODUCT; people join to play chess here and who do they play against? Us. Of course, the whole rationale behind the Game ...[text shortened]... ine use here is being rigorously pursued, but that the non-cheating player has nothing to fear.
05 Feb 05
Originally posted by ulysses soulJust a quick note...
this is a business.
and as in any other business, is based on the promise of providing a service in return of you money.
and although your country has only recentely understood the need for democracy, the rest of the world has long history of fighting for it.
there is no future for Big Brothers or sad Saddam immitations.
and a man fights for his believes.
no need to reply
If you select "Reply and Quote" instead of "Reply", the rest of us would know what you are talking about. :-)
05 Feb 05
Originally posted by no1marauderGEEZ, I never thought I'd be supporting no1marauder... but I have to agree with him on this.
While the termination of anybody's account is, of course, at RHP's discretion, it would be bad business to teminate accounts for whimiscal reasons. We're actually not just merely customers here, in a real sense we're RHP's PRODUCT; people join to play chess here and who do they play against? Us. Of course, the whole rationale behind the Game ...[text shortened]... ine use here is being rigorously pursued, but that the non-cheating player has nothing to fear.