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Originally posted by XanthosNZ
Just like your star you mean?

I mean like privacy and freedom in America. Existed till January 21, 2001, then BAM it's history.

Originally posted by abejnood
I mean like privacy and freedom in America. Existed till January 21, 2001, then BAM it's history.

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄. If its so bad here there is always Iran with their record of freedom and privacy.

Originally posted by slimjim
🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄. If its so bad here there is always Iran with their record of freedom and privacy.

That's not the point.

Anyway, we actually do have privacy in Iran. Just some limits in freedom. 🙁
But it is getting better! 🙂

Originally posted by abejnood
That's not the point.

Anyway, we actually do have privacy in Iran. Just some limits in freedom. 🙁
But it is getting better! 🙂

abejnood - we're you born in Iran or US?

There's seems to be a lot of conflicting information in the press about the direction of freedom and social changes in Iran. What do you think will tip the balance?

Originally posted by RookRAK
we're

I was born in the United States, and then went to Iran and lived there until I was three. Since then, I have been alternating countries every couple of years or so.

I believe our current moronic president will tip the balences.


Btw, it's "were". 😉

Originally posted by abejnood
I was born in the United States, and then went to Iran and lived there until I was three. Since then, I have been alternating countries every couple of years or so.

I believe our current moronic president will tip the balences.


Btw, it's "were". 😉

Which moronic president are you referring to. The Iranian president who said Israel should be wiped off the Earth right?

Originally posted by slimjim
Which moronic president are you referring to. The Iranian president who said Israel should be wiped off the Earth right?

Indeed. You are correct.

Originally posted by abejnood
I was born in the United States, and then went to Iran and lived there until I was three. Since then, I have been alternating countries every couple of years or so.

I believe our current moronic president will tip the balences.


Btw, it's "were". 😉

Clearly, I've no time for proofreading 😏

It must be quite a change to switch between US and Iran. In the late 1980's I worked with an Iranian who had lived in the US since college. He would only go back to visit his parents. He would say, even back then, that he thought eventually the intellectuals would win power over religious fundamentalists. Do you see these still as the two forces at work there?

Originally posted by RookRAK
Clearly, I've no time for proofreading 😏

It must be quite a change to switch between US and Iran. In the late 1980's I worked with an Iranian who had lived in the US since college. He would only go back to visit his parents. He would say, even back then, that he thought eventually the intellectuals would win power over religious fundamentalists. Do you see these still as the two forces at work there?

Yes, intellectuals are gaining steam, and the religious leaders seem to be weakening. Also, we are becoming extremely advanced scientifically and mathmatically. However, if the U.S. begins a war with Iran at this point, all this would be shattered. If the U.S. does not attack Iran, Iran will become quite sucessful and provide competition for the United States; which, obviously, the U.S. doesn't want. So they are making up some B.S. about "nuclear weapons" so they can attack Iran and keep them becoming more prosperous.

Originally posted by abejnood
Yes, intellectuals are gaining steam, and the religious leaders seem to be weakening. Also, we are becoming extremely advanced scientifically and mathmatically. However, if the U.S. begins a war with Iran at this point, all this would be shattered. If the U.S. does not attack Iran, Iran will become quite sucessful and provide competition for the United Stat ...[text shortened]... e B.S. about "nuclear weapons" so they can attack Iran and keep them becoming more prosperous.

I know you can't really be serious about what you just stated.

Originally posted by slimjim
I know you can't really be serious about what you just stated.

He's serious. Just look at his face.

Originally posted by slimjim
I know you can't really be serious about what you just stated.

Believe it or not, I am.

There is more than one side to a coin.

Originally posted by abejnood
Believe it or not, I am.

There is more than one side to a coin.

Well my question is where do your loyalties lie? Like you I was born in another country (Germany) because my father was in the Army. I also have two children born there also for the same reason but, we support the US and could care less about German politics. Are you an Iranian-American or just an Iranian living in America to enjoy its lifestyle, freedom, and making the almighty dollar? I have been to Tehran in 77 before that lunatic Khomeni took over and made it the mess it is today. It was a modern country that had more benefits than any other country in the Middle East. Do you think that Iran wants nuclear power for electricity? They want it to attack Israel and if they do then I feel sorry for Iran because Israel will make it glow. Iran has a fanatic for a president and they are causing most of the trouble in Iraq because they think the US will attack them. Personally I think the US should have went into Iran because Iraq was a paper tiger as far as their Army was concerned.

Originally posted by slimjim
Well my question is where do your loyalties lie? Like you I was born in another country (Germany) because my father was in the Army. I also have two children born there also for the same reason but, we support the US and could care less about German politics. Are you an Iranian-American or just an Iranian living in America to enjoy its lifestyle, freedom, an ...[text shortened]... US should have went into Iran because Iraq was a paper tiger as far as their Army was concerned.

I am truly sorry to hear you say this. As I previously said, there's more than one side to a coin, and you are covering mine. I will begin by answering each part in your post. First of all, I was born in the U.S, as I said. Second of all, I am not a disloyal American. I have not said anything against America. Against the administration, yes, against some of the governmental activities, yes, for what I believe in yes, like other members on this site. But I have not said anything against the country, and I should hope you do not take it as such. After all, how would the country improve should there not be more opinions? More ideas about how to run things? A combination of Democrats, of conservatives. I am helping this country by putting in my two cents, and do not wish for the destruction of this country, or any other country for that matter, not Isreal, not England, not France. Our does not represent the country's veiws, as I have already discussed in a thread in the Debates forum. We want electricity, we have no need of weapons, and there is no evidence pointing that way. You mention this: however, has there been any proof? Any weapons found? Any hint of it? The U.S. says Iran wants them, and I have already given my reason why. But there is no proof. Please do not accept it as such immediatly without some consideration first.

You speak of 77. I was not alive then, have no personal sight of it. But my parents have. My parents saw the thousands, millions starving, poor, without anything because the shah took all the wealth, and billions were lost in possible profits of our oil because the U.S. got it in exchange for the shah getting some gold. It was good-- for the U.S. I hope you take into consideration that my parents lived their lives there while this was all occuring, and that you may take that into consideration. And I once again refer to my past post as to why the U.S. is itching for a war.

I hope that you may consider all I have said. Maybe you won't accept it, maybe never will, but give it a chance. We have experienced this more directly. I do not say we are more intelligent than you, or anything to that sort, but perhaps we may have had a lttile more experience.

-Alborz

Originally posted by slimjim
Well my question is where do your loyalties lie? Like you I was born in another country (Germany) because my father was in the Army. I also have two children born there also for the same reason but, we support the US and could care less about German politics. Are you an Iranian-American or just an Iranian living in America to enjoy its lifestyle, freedom, an ...[text shortened]... US should have went into Iran because Iraq was a paper tiger as far as their Army was concerned.

I don't know that this conversation centers around loyalty.

Every country has many facets. Some are easier to see than others. We can easily see the effect of the leaders of the country, and it's interaction on the world stage. But there are always many people and sides we don't see.

Abejnood, while very young (remember how you viewed the world at his age?) has had an opportunity to participate in two very different cultures. He has a perspective I've never had, so I'm very interested in learning what this looks like to him (individually, and what he's learned from his parents).

I think we can all agree that the leaders of both the US and Iran are not particularly popular with the rest of the world these days. I'm glad that we are all free to make these criticisms.