21 Jun 04
Originally posted by belgianfreakYeah, I've played games where I'm down pieces as well. But only if I think I have an edge over them in some other way. You're playing against the "odds", but heck, so is playing a better-rated player, and who gives up at the beginning of the game just because of that?!?
you seem to quite a nifty player, but are you suggesting that any game where you are a knight or more ahead is won??? Or are you only talking about engames? Even here, pawn position is more important, isn't it? I've aways fancied trying to beat an oppo who has a rook against my 3 linked pawns.
I'm really just talking about games where there is no real hope. It all depends on the situation. Your example of extra pawns contains more than a ray of hope, b/c you just might force him to trade his rook to prevent you from queening one.
I'm not trying to promote any hard and fast rules -- just common sense, and a desire to get back to a board where both players are actually interested in what's going on.
21 Jun 04
Originally posted by lordivanbut that's what the game has become! and how can you win without mating somoene? getting a draw from a lost position? that's the only otehr way i can think of where you have won without striving for mate...
No. Note that there are ways to win besides checkmate. This says to me that, although it is the most pleasurable way to win, it is not the raison d'etre. Thus we must say that the point of the game is simply to win. When you no longer have a chance of winning, then there is no point at all in playing to the very end, unless your opponent needs practice in playing the correct moves that properly finishes the game.
21 Jun 04
Originally posted by geniusFor example, if the opponent has no legal moves on the board, you win. If you won in this manner, would you feel that you didn't really win? If so, then you have misunderstood the basic purpose of chess: it's bigger than just being able to say "checkmate!" at the end of it all.
but that's what the game has become! and how can you win without mating somoene? getting a draw from a lost position? that's the only otehr way i can think of where you have won without striving for mate...
21 Jun 04
I have always thought that people who play on, when the position is clearly lost, are poor sports. If someone is giving me a good beating, and I see no advantage in playing on, other than my opponent making a really silly error, then I resign, always complementing my opponent on a game well played. If they are good enough to reach such a commanding position, then they should not be expected to make such errors right at the death.
21 Jun 04
Originally posted by swanseafanfunny that...i often think the same whilst watching swansea try to play footy 😉
I have always thought that people who play on, when the position is clearly lost, are poor sports. If someone is giving me a good beating, and I see no advantage in playing on, other than my opponent making a really silly error, then I resign, always complementing my opponent on a game well played. If they are good enough to reach such a commanding position, then they should not be expected to make such errors right at the death.
21 Jun 04
Originally posted by wucky3Ooh, cold, very cold, still, we'll be champions this year (if we can sort out the defence) ( and the forwards) ( and steer clear of injuries in midfield)🙂
funny that...i often think the same whilst watching swansea try to play footy 😉
23 Jun 04
Originally posted by lordivanIf you are playing a game with time control rules in effect, you could win if your opponent runs out of time.
My mistake... but I'm sure there's another way to win besides checkmate and resignation, isn't there?
That makes three ways: Checkmate, resignation, timed out.
Also, if your opponent is removed from a game or tournament for any reason (Cheating, misconduct, etc...), even if it is not specifically related to your games with them. I suppose you might get a win by default. I don't know if their games in progress would count as a loss or just be cancelled. That's probably beyond the scope of what you are discussing here.
That's all I can come up with....
Marc
24 Jun 04
Originally posted by mwmillerin some fast tournaments (well-all the fast ones i've been in...o.k.-all one of them...😛). if you made an illegal move, you automatically lost. but you cannot force someone to make an illegal move, to run out of time, or to resign-it is their own choice. the only way that you can win is to mate them...
If you are playing a game with time control rules in effect, you could win if your opponent runs out of time.
That makes three ways: Checkmate, resignation, timed out.
Also, if your opponent is removed from a game or tournament for any reason (Cheating, misconduct, etc...), even if it is not specifically related to your games with them. I suppose you ...[text shortened]... ly beyond the scope of what you are discussing here.
That's all I can come up with....
Marc