Originally posted by SirUlrichI totally agree with you. A person should have to be a member to post anything! A fine example is from the idiot non-subscriber who just posted a url saying it was a "joke site", when it was really a porn site that tried to install software on your computer!
Why are non-subscribers allowed to post? 95% of the crap in the forums comes from non-members
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5% from me??
Originally posted by StarrmanI have the utmost respect for you, my friend, but I must disagree. We at RHP keep getting bombarded by people with crap in the forums who have nothing to lose. Did it ever occur to you (or others who support your thinking) that these people who are able to send messages to the RHP members and send them to sites that infect our computers, that they may be people who have been banned by Russ!?
Yes, but banning people from using the forums until they have subscribed is not a very smart way of encouraging people to subscribe.
And for good reason.
Originally posted by jimmyb270You're looking at the problem wrong. Let me ask you... can YOU post a link to a website saying that it's a fun website" when in actuality it's a porn site that establishes malware on the user's computer? If you did then you would have to answer for it, right? But a non-subscriber can pop in under ANY name and do much damage to RHP members! Then leave and pop back in again under a different name.
I'd love to know why you think that paying $30 is going to make these people any more eloquent.
Like I and SirUlrich have been saying: A person who has nothing to lose can cause havic to the members at RHP.
A word about the non subscribers that dont post rubbish on this site such as me and many other people. Dont you think you would be doing us an injustice by making Subscribers the only ones that post? I mean some of the non subscribers are quiet smart and have alot of knowledge on many subjects involving chess and other areas of interest. However, I do agree that there should be a way to stop spamming and posting crap like those sites that install malicious viruses, spyware, and adware. So there I am done. Said my peace.
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arrakis has shown that members too are capable of posting rubbish.
4 posts in a row?
I posted on the forums a lot before I was a subscriber. I didn't do any of the things people are complaining about. Should I have suffered because some idiots are well idiots?
The non-subscribers who make useless threads and annoying posts are in the minority. However they are the ones people notice. They don't notice the non-subscribers who make few posts when they have something useful to add to a thread.
What makes RHP great is the community. Potential subscribers need to see this. What better way than to let them be a part of it?
I think the solution is for stricter modding against non-subscribers. A small change to the forum rules to allow for modding against useless posts and threads made by fly by night players would improve things drastically without affecting the not guilty ones.
Originally posted by arrakisI'm not asking you for a reference.
You're not being fair to your fellow RHP member. I will personally vouch for SirUlrich. He is a man of quality character. YOU, I know nothing about.
BTW, it was a reference to a Seinfeld episode, it wasn't an insult.
IF non-subscribers had not been allowed to post when I first found RHP. I would not have joined.
I had a very bad experience with mean, petty and vulgar people at another site and I took my sweet time before plopping down any more money.
It was the fact that I posted and received a respectful response that encouraged me to subscribe. The overall tone of the forum, strong adminstrative presence and several good games with good people helped. The forums set the tone for the site (and other sites).
There have been subscribers who have behaved and continue to behave badly IMHO. Some have even been sent away in disgrace.
I am thankful there were not threads like this at the time I was lurking about trying to get a sense of this place....
I might not have joined.🙁
Originally posted by arrakisSSchhhhhhhhhhhhhhh - you will destroy my carefully crafted reputation
You're not being fair to your fellow RHP member. I will personally vouch for SirUlrich. He is a man of quality character. YOU, I know nothing about.
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Cheque and red lace thingies in the post
Originally posted by dylHere's an purfect example of what we would miss:
I would be greatly upset if non-subscribers were banned from posting.
http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=21086&page=1
Non-subscribers already can't play Sieges, or join Clans...I don't know why they get to post. Just the fact that XanthosNZ posted on the forums a lot before subscribing is reason enough to put an end to it. I can understand non-subscribers complaining in this thread...nobody likes to see something free end - at least when on the receiving end.
I say "they" get one post per game completed, and even then only in the Spirituality forum.
Originally posted by arrakisI too visited the site in question. I have no idea if I'm now infected. But just because of our own violition we visited a site outside rhp does not mean non-subscribers should be banned from posting in the forums.
I totally agree with you. A person should have to be a member to post anything! A fine example is from the idiot non-subscriber who just posted a url saying it was a "joke site", when it was really a porn site that tried to install software on your computer!
We should have been more careful.
I would rather see that non-subcribers can only visit the "help" and "site announcements" forums before they have invested 200 moves on the site. This would eliminate many people whose primary motivation is to spam.
The time as well as the money invested in the site by its users is what goes to make it such harmonious chess community. Most of us were non-subscribers once.
Originally posted by xsCrikey! One post about walking, and you think we should place a ban on hundreds of people?
Here's an purfect example of what we would miss:
http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=21086&page=1
Non-subscribers already can't play Sieges, or join Clans...I don't know why they get to post. Just the fact that Xant ...[text shortened]... er game completed, and even then only in the Spirituality forum.
From a financial point of view, a ban on forum use would drive away many, many potential members.
From a community point of view, a ban on forum use would drive away many, many entertaining people.
If you agree with both those points, don't you think it would be a better idea to simply put up with a few silly threads - threads that can be modded if they are that disruptive?
It's getting really difficult to tell who is being serious here and who is joking.
I remember from my time as a non-subscriber, and I'm sure that a lot of non-subscribers will agree, that there is a certain double standard applied to members of this site. The difference in the way you are perceived is much more noticable when you are a non-subscriber.
Non-subscribers do occasionally post garbage in these forums. My recommendation is for the post to be removed, the member in question receives a homogenous message telling them that the post was removed as it was inappropriate to the site, and if they do it again they receive a temporary forum ban.
Although it is a very good idea to create a threshold number of moves before non-subscribers can post in the forums... I personally wouldn't back it. What about the non-subscribers that just want to say hello and in turn receive a friendly RHP welcome?
I'm getting tired of control freaks trying to make these forums into what they want them to be. I know that's a little ironic, after all that I have just said... but seriously, SirUlrich and arrakis, if your posts about non-subs being denied posting rights are serious then I think that you guys are being completely ridiculous because
1) You knew what you were signing up for when you purchased your subscription.
2) Nobody is forcing you to read any threads that you don't want to.
I like the fact that the general forum has a certain air of freedom, if you guys want to start dictating rules to posters then you are the ones who should leave. Go make your own forum, and post your stupid ideas in it all day long. See if anyone cares.