15 Mar 21
@ghost-of-a-duke saidAt the moment our local news keeps playing back somebody saying that 40 avoidable deaths were caused by allowing the match against Atletico Madrid to go ahead with a full ground last March. Personally I don't know how they can possibly be that precise.
Evidence also shows that transmission of the virus outdoors is greatly reduced and that such gatherings are not superspreaders.
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@relentless-red saidA very different event also from the protest, especially considering the timing of the match. (And who attended).
At the moment our local news keeps playing back somebody saying that 40 avoidable deaths were caused by allowing the match against Atletico Madrid to go ahead with a full ground last March. Personally I don't know how they can possibly be that precise.
15 Mar 21
@ghost-of-a-duke saidTrue. Completely different numbers as well. It seems there was no justification on COVID grounds to break it up and it seems a really poor strategy to use force if there was negligible risk and the crowd would have eventually dispersed of their own accord.
A very different event also from the protest, especially considering the timing of the match. (And who attended).
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15 Mar 21
@relentless-red saidOne might hearken back to a 1970 event that happened in Ohio (Kent) perhaps? It takes just a second.
True. Completely different numbers as well. It seems there was no justification on COVID grounds to break it up and it seems a really poor strategy to use force if there was negligible risk and the crowd would have eventually dispersed of their own accord.
@divegeester saidAlmost sounds like the sort of attitude they were protesting about
I felt sorry for the cute redhead on the floor, I like redheads...
@relentless-red saidThe police didn’t use any force in Liverpool all those years back which tragically led to 96 deaths. They’ve been blamed for it ever since.
I suppose if you're going to use force you have to ask what would happen if you don't act. In this instance they might have just remained there for the night or until they became cold or maybe slipped away of their own accord if no media interest was gained. I can't see the harm in any of those outcomes to justify the force which in fact increased their media exposure. ...[text shortened]... at means that senior police have let down their front line workers who already have a very hard job.
The use of force, which I saw, was to put a number of women to the ground to handcuff them. It’s a safer option for the person and police officer than to drag someone away with their arms flailing. I don’t think anyone was injured or tasered? They safely managed the situation in my opinion. The crowd was growing and it was dark making the crowd more difficult to safely observe. They made a decision to try to disperse it.
@c-j-horse saidWhat!?
Almost sounds like the sort of attitude they were protesting about
15 Mar 21
@divegeester saidThe cute redhead was a smart woman, reminded me of Julianne Moore 🙂 and used the situation to her best advantage. As for the blonde in the fur coat, she let the side down.
You and I are usually on the opposite sides of this type of discussion, I.e. I’m usually railing on about discipline and rules and you are usually the voice of moderation. Not that you aren’t being moderate now I suppose.
I do agree with you. But again I find myself also agreeing with Relentless Pete on this; why couldn’t they have just handled it a bit better!? Turne ...[text shortened]... iders the longer term impact.
I felt sorry for the cute redhead on the floor, I like redheads...
@drewnogal saidWow, that is certainly ill informed and offensive. Perhaps you need to read up on the inquest and the unlawful killing verdict, but here's a quick over view.
The police didn’t use any force in Liverpool all those years back which tragically led to 96 deaths. They’ve been blamed for it ever since.
The use of force, which I saw, was to put a number of women to the ground to handcuff them. It’s a safer option for the person and police officer than to drag someone away with their arms flailing. I don’t think anyone was injured or ...[text shortened]... dark making the crowd more difficult to safely observe. They made a decision to try to disperse it.
A senior police office who had never managed a large football match does not feel the need to learn how it is done. He has no outer perimeter of ticket checks to slow down the arrival of the crowd at the turnstiles so a crush begins.
He panics and opens the exit gates into a caged area beyond a tunnel. It does not have the capacity for the crowd that is now directed into it.
At the front of the caged area people are now being crushed to death against the railings. They plead with the police to open the gates but they are ignored and those strong enough to start to climb out are deemed as rioting.
Even when the officials start to get people out the senior police officer will not believe that it is not a riot and uses his officers to form a human chain across the centre of the ground where nobody is even going. Paramedics are denied access to the dying and prevented from entering.
The dead are put in a gymnasium, but it is later discovered that the dying were also put there and simply left to die.
It took a campaign of over 25 years to get the truth to be heard and even then the senior police officer was cleared of all responsibility. Thankfully I was not at that particular semi final and neither were my family, but the whole city feel for those who were.
@drewnogal saidAre you a redhead by any chance ... ?
The cute redhead was a smart woman, reminded me of Julianne Moore 🙂 and used the situation to her best advantage.
@drewnogal saidI wouldn’t go there if I were you; Liverpool football team aren’t doing very well on the pitch and Relentless Pete is not in the best of mood about it and nearly had a meltdown with me in another thread.
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15 Mar 21
@divegeester saidI visited Liverpool once, they have a fine collection of Pre-Raphaelite art 🙂
I wouldn’t go there if I were you; Liverpool football team aren’t doing very well on the pitch and Relentless Pete is not in the best of mood about it and nearly had a meltdown with me in another thread.