14 Dec 04
Originally posted by chancremechanicmollycoddle? Have you ever been locked up, even for a day? I don't know, but I'm guessing that the Netherlands has quite a bit less violent crime per capita than the US. And certainly you can't argue that the US has a perfect penal system. Most prison in America are privitized. So that means that it is good business to keep people in jail, hence the 60% of people in jail in the US are in on marijuana charges. So it becomes hard to argue for a system that is so flawed that CEO's decide what goes on in a jail rather than a judge, a review board or the people of the country. If you don't agree with the quote from the rather bad movie, that's fine, but don't call someone a moron because they don't agree with your nineteenth century attitude toward prison systems. My brother is a federal public defender and has argued cases in front of the Supreme Court. Three of those cases were men on death row that were wrongly accused. You wouldn't be so all fired ready to kill someone if you were sitting in that box for something you didn't do.
And does the Netherlands mollycoddle its prisoners?..lets murderers out on Holiday furlough?...to go shopping for a garotte?....
"The level of civilisation of a society can be measured by how it treats its prisoners"?...whoever quoted this is a complete moron!!🙄
I don't necessarily agree with the death penalty, ecxcept in cases of heino ...[text shortened]... ...reform the ones who can be reformed, but lock away the ones who can't...what does the NE do?[/b]
Right now in the United States there are more people in prison than were in all the gulags of the communist Soviet Union. Does that make you proud to be an American. I know that for me, it makes me embarassed and ashamed.
14 Dec 04
Originally posted by chancremechanicIt was Winston Churchill in case anyone was wondering.
And does the Netherlands mollycoddle its prisoners?..lets murderers out on Holiday furlough?...to go shopping for a garotte?....
"The level of civilisation of a society can be measured by how it treats its prisoners"?...whoever quoted this is a complete moron!!🙄
I don't necessarily agree with the death penalty, ecxcept in cases of heino ...[text shortened]... ...reform the ones who can be reformed, but lock away the ones who can't...what does the NE do?[/b]
I don't agree with Churchill's view at all. I think the level of civilisation can be measured by how low a crime rate there is in the first place. However I do agree that there is no excuse for using the death penalty. Revenge is an unfulfilling thing. It does not make up for the loss of a loved one, it does not soothe the heart, or ease one's grief. Okay, I have no experience of murder or death penalties as a person, but I have had experience with revenge and it is a bitter thing to keep down. It is effectively fighting fire with fire, leaving you with a sense of guilt on top of all the feelings you would have had to endure anyway.
There will be those of you who will claim a liberal mind means a liberal sense of justice and to a certain extent perhaps you are right. But on the flipside, use of the death penalty does not meet it's aims. It costs the governement more to house a death row prisoner, it doesn't give the families of the murdered any real sense of finality and it certainly does nothing to stem the amount of crimes committed, so one might ask what good does it do?
IMHO killing anyone in the name of good or justice is just about the stupidest thing I can think of.
14 Dec 04
The irony here is that in the US a large portion of the pro-death penalty crowd is also part of the religous right even though it clearly says in the Big Ten THOU SHALT NOT KILL. There is no caveat saying unless... And our crazy President, when Governor of Texas, signed off on more death warrants than all the other states combined. And he calls himself a Christian!
14 Dec 04
Originally posted by chancremechanicThe death penalty is an easy way out. These people should be locked up in general population for the rest of their lives. That is a just punishment for a child murderer, pedophile, rapist, etc. They could spend the rest of their lives having their ass bartered like beaverskins in the Canadian Shield. They could pray for death every night but know that the only thing coming their way is a broomhandle and a mouth full of pillow.
And does the Netherlands mollycoddle its prisoners?..lets murderers out on Holiday furlough?...to go shopping for a garotte?....
"The level of civilisation of a society can be measured by how it treats its prisoners"?...whoever quoted this is a complete moron!!🙄
I don't necessarily agree with the death penalty, ecxcept in cases of heino ...[text shortened]... ...reform the ones who can be reformed, but lock away the ones who can't...what does the NE do?[/b]
If their lucky, some righteous con will take it upon himself to do the world a favour and beat them to death in their own cell with a bike chain or something. Then he could rest in peace. I disagree with the death penalty and I disagree with keeping the most dangerous criminals (which Scott Peterson surely is NOT) segregated from general population. If we throw them all into the same pit like the animals they are, there wouldn't be a need for the death penalty.
But I guess if you're the merciful type, you probably don't agree with this view...
14 Dec 04
Originally posted by royalchickenI honestly do not see the relevence in dissecting the title of the lawsuit. Let me define myself clearly: If the death penalty stops crimes from happening (which I know it does not) that's a bonus. If it gives some comfort to the families of the victim (which I do care about but how can it really?) that's also a bonus. The Scott Petersons of the world have no regard for human life and I care very little about the notion that "well doesn't this makes us as bad as him"? No, it does not because most people do not decide on murder when life doesn't go the way they want it. Why should he be allowed to be any type of drain on our society by being allowed to exist? Please spare me the notion of rehabilitating him too? Who cares? He is not worth it!
The trouble is that penalties for crimes are not given for the victim's sake; this case was called something like ''The People of California v. Scott Peterson'', not ''The Family of Laci Peterson v. Scott Peterson'', so they have exactly nothing to do with it. What's at issue is that murder is illegal in California, not the family's desire f ...[text shortened]... revenge.
Pheudvooureblut Barbarische ist, micht Ekwaljusten isch eist gut Barbarionen wee.
14 Dec 04
Originally posted by gameover9Like I said earlier, there is no "life without parole" How long will Lacy and the Baby have to think about it?
Let him think about it for the rest of his life. The only reason that would maybe make the death penalty right would be for example somone like Sadam Hussein if found guilty could not possibly be kept in a secure prison and there was a high risk of excape.
-reagan
Let him think about it all right...all the way to the execution.
14 Dec 04
Originally posted by BLReidWhich law do you mean?
Maybe they should quit breaking the law!!!!
The marijuana laws instituted in the 1930's by the pharmiceutical companies? Or perhaps you mean speeding, I do that a lot. Or maybe Biblical laws, 'cause my neighbors wife is pretty hot. Or maybe you mean Hammurabi's law, personally, I did not till my field but let it lay fallow. Or maybe you mean local laws, because I did spit on the sidewalk once in Carbondale.
Please be a little more specific in your accusations.
14 Dec 04
Originally posted by CliffLandinI think he was referring to the point of this thread....Scott Peterson the Murderer. The law that was broken was murder.
Which law do you mean?
The marijuana laws instituted in the 1930's by the pharmiceutical companies? Or perhaps you mean speeding, I do that a lot. Or maybe Biblical laws, 'cause my neighbors wife is pretty hot. Or maybe you mean Hammurabi's law, personally, I did not till my field but let it lay fallow. Or maybe you mean local laws, because I d ...[text shortened]... pit on the sidewalk once in Carbondale.
Please be a little more specific in your accusations.
14 Dec 04
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Originally posted by BLReidWhy return murder with murder? What example does that give? Having to sit in jail for the rest of your life and living with the fact that you did it is a way harder punishment to take. Besides it will give you time to think and if you chose, to be sorry for what you did. Why give him the easy way out? Was he easy on his wife and son?
Like I said earlier, there is no "life without parole" How long will Lacy and the Baby have to think about it?
Let him think about it all right...all the way to the execution.
-reagan
14 Dec 04
Originally posted by gameover9I could careless if Scott Peterson or any other murderer is "sorry" for what they did. It's over all much more cost effective, if anything, to exterminate this vermin. It kills me (no pun intended) how we are so damn concerned about being humane to the subhuman.
Why return murder with murder? What example does that give? Having to sit in jail for the rest of your life and living with the fact that you did it is a way harder punishment to take. Besides it will give you time to think and if you chose, to be sorry for what you did. Why give him the easy way out? Was he easy on his wife and son?
-reagan
BLReid is dead on. Where is the humanity in the deaths of both Lacy Peterson and her unborn child? The only way I would be against the death penality is if Scott Peterson was left alive only to suffer brutal physical torment every day until he collapsed just to do again the next day...over and over and over again. Who pays for this piece of sh*t to rot in jail? We do and I live in California. So if one cent of a more important program (creating a homeless shelter, some educational reform, Hell putting more trashcans in my favorite park as far as I am concerned) is going to him rotting in a cell for the next 40+ years I say that's a waste.
14 Dec 04
Originally posted by darvlayCompletely agree and you can be the warden of my prison any time 🙂
The death penalty is an easy way out. These people should be locked up in general population for the rest of their lives. That is a just punishment for a child murderer, pedophile, rapist, etc. They could spend the rest of their lives having their ass bartered like beaverskins in the Canadian Shield. They could pray for death every night but know that th ...[text shortened]... .
But I guess if you're the merciful type, you probably don't agree with this view...
14 Dec 04
Originally posted by Joe FistI wonder how many time this must be said before people start hearing it.
I could careless if Scott Peterson or any other murderer is "sorry" for what they did. It's over all much more cost effective, if anything, to exterminate this vermin. It kills me (no pun intended) how we are so damn concerned about being humane to the subhuman.
BLReid is dead on. Where is the humanity in the deaths of both Lacy Peterson and her un ...[text shortened]... I am concerned) is going to him rotting in a cell for the next 40+ years I say that's a waste.
It costs WAY more to put a prisoner to death (due to all the appeals) than it does to keep them in prison for the rest of their lives.
Kinda shoots holes in your argument, dosen't it?
TheSkipper