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Originally posted by ivanhoe
Mother Theresa about abortion: "We all want to live in peace, but how can we live in peace in a society that allows mothers to kill their own unborn children. When there is no peace in the womb then there cannot be peace in our minds".

Same thing applies to the death penalty ...

Legalising state violence will not help to fight crime ...

But then, thats not exactly a socially progressive statement in itself.

Originally posted by Varg
Whilst I'm unsure about the effectiveness of the death penalty, I think the 'going to pot' is likely caused by the current general attitude that criminals are 'victims' that the system 'failed' them and that they just need an opportunity to prove themselves. Nobody considers that people might just be scumbags pure and simple (okay, they may not be the ca ...[text shortened]... gangs, illegal immigration, drugs (poor little drug addicts) and a whole host of other matters.

Varg, are you sure you don't live in the States?...what you described is as it is in the U.S., especially with illegal imigration. They want to give drivers lincenses to illegal for crying out loud!!

I don't necessarily agree with the death penalty except in heinous situations, but life in prison should mean life in prison, doing hard time without nice gyms, cable/satellite TV, law libraries, special favors, etc. They should be sent to an Island prison breaking big rocks into small rocks. Society is up-side-down, and that is a sign that we are going to hell in a handbasket....and fast! 😠🙄

Originally posted by CFC
The trial's only now! The whole case was nearly a year ago!

I think the death penalty is wrong. The guy killed many other guys but you don't want to kill this guy aswell. The more people in the world the better.

funnily enough I think the fewer people in the world would be better. I just don't think we should get there by killing them off.

Originally posted by latex bishop
But then, thats not exactly a socially progressive statement in itself.

What do you mean saying "not exactly socially progressive" ? Please include in your answer the point of view of the child.

Originally posted by ivanhoe

What do you mean saying "not exactly socially progressive" ? Please include in your answer the point of view of the child.

I mean exactly what I said, not getting into an argument about abortion or the power and influence of the catholic church here as it takes away from the nature of this thread.

Andrew

Originally posted by chancremechanic
Varg, are you sure you don't live in the States?...what you described is as it is in the U.S., especially with illegal imigration. They want to give drivers lincenses to illegal for crying out loud!!

I don't necessarily agree with the death penalty except in heinous situations, but life in prison should mean life in prison, doing hard time with ...[text shortened]... is up-side-down, and that is a sign that we are going to hell in a handbasket....and fast! 😠🙄

Anyone who kills should be sent to clear minefields 😀

Originally posted by Paulie
Anyone who kills should be sent to clear minefields 😀

lol. an excellent suggestion. especially if it includes drunk drivers etc...

but on second thoughts, maybe putting murderers in a job where the whole point for them to get their hands on high explosives isn't such a good idea.

Originally posted by belgianfreak
funnily enough I think the fewer people in the world would be better. I just don't think we should get there by killing them off.

Are you sure about that , I mean about reducing the population by killing ?

Originally posted by belgianfreak
funnily enough I think the fewer people in the world would be better. I just don't think we should get there by killing them off.

I hear ya BF!

The teenager is getting the death penalty.

Originally posted by D43M0N
I hear ya BF!

The teenager is getting the death penalty.

I hope not ! I don't want to see anybody die, not even a serial killer. In a civilised country like the US the Death penalty should be banned .......

Originally posted by ivanhoe
Are you sure about that , I mean about reducing the population by killing ?

read more carefully:

"I just don't think we should get there by killing them off"

ie. I don't think we should reduce the popluation by killing & I don't support the death penalty.

Originally posted by CFC
The trial's only now! The whole case was nearly a year ago!

I think the death penalty is wrong. The guy killed many other guys but you don't want to kill this guy aswell. The more people in the world the better.

The American justice system is quite slow (due to volume) , even when a high-profile case is at hand. Kobe Bryant will not stand trial for weeks.

I don't mean to hijack the original purpose of this thread, but, CFC, why do you feel that more people is somehow "better" in relation to capital punishment? I know that you are relatively young, and I am quite curious as someone who can be called "old" (by Abbie Hoffman's definition). as to why you make such an assertion.

lionel: Can you point me to a news link that explains why the guilty party was convicted? I have been unable to locate one, In an earlier post you said "I think he was already given the death penalty even before he got caught." Do you think that is justified? I emphasize the word "before."

EDIT: And by the above, I'd like to clarify that I believe that American social mores prematurely presume guilt (especially when a celebrity is involved) before all of the evidence is publically available. To reuse my Kobe Bryant example above, his endoresements were immediately revoked, despite the fact that he has been convicted of nothing. And to speculate, I don't think Sprite or Reebok will ever sponsor him again.

EDIT 2: I'd like to reiterate that I don't want to change the topic to Kobe. I am just using him as an example of someone who is perceived as guilty before proven innocent as related to the death penalty being applied to the accused snipers.

Originally posted by belgianfreak
read more carefully:

"I just [b]don't think we should get there by killing them off"

ie. I don't think we should reduce the popluation by killing & I don't support the death penalty. [/b]

Yes, I've understood that part, but there is something else about dealing with life and respect it:

Can you explain why you do not support death penalty and at the same time are an advocate of abortion and active euthanasia ... all three are about ending someone's life. Wouldn't it be more consistent if you opposed all three topics or be an advocate of all three of them ?

Originally posted by ivanhoe
Yes, I've understood that part, but there is something else about dealing with life and respect it:

Can you explain why you do not support death penalty and at the same time are an advocate of abortion and active euthanasia ... all three are about ending someone's life. Wouldn't it be more consistent if you opposed all three topics or be an advocate of all three of them ?

Abortion - Mother chooses to abort her feotus
Euthanesia - human decides to terminate their own life
Death Penalty - State kills you.

They are completley different, two are about personal choice, one is not.

Andrew

Originally posted by latex bishop
Abortion - Mother chooses to abort her feotus
Euthanesia - human decides to terminate their own life
Death Penalty - State kills you.

They are completley different, two are about personal choice, one is not.

Andrew

I'm talking, of course, about the thing they have in common and that is that a life is being taken and in connection with that the respect for life itself.