11 Sep 13
Originally posted by NoEarthlyReason"Mozart seeming to be modelled on Bon Jovi."
Yes, I loved the music but not the movie's general style. I would watch it again though and reappraise it, as it does have a mysterious draw for me despite Mozart seeming to be modelled on Bon Jovi.
That's the parallel that fits. Didn't you think the frequent silly laughing was gratuitous and distracting? Imagine the jealousy Mozart provoked. What small wealthy men they were in their banding together to perpetrate petty subterfuge.
11 Sep 13
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyOh God, don't remind me of that laughing! Ruined what could have been essentialy a very good film. I have no memory of the plot, but I recently read on the forums here that the treatment of Salieri in Amadeus was quite unfair.
Didn't you think the frequent silly laughing was gratuitous and distracting? Imagine the jealousy Mozart provoked. What small wealthy men they were in their banding together to perpetrate petty subterfuge.
11 Sep 13
Originally posted by NoEarthlyReasonSalieri was intent on stealing his original manuscripts of which Mozart kept no copies. Why? Because Salieri was a jealous, second rate composer whose intent was to plagiarize if not claim they were his own. He hired a maid to obtain them.
Oh God, don't remind me of that laughing! Ruined what could have been essentialy a very good film. I have no memory of the plot, but I recently read on the forums here that the treatment of Salieri in Amadeus was quite unfair.
11 Sep 13
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyMaybe I remembered it wrongly. I think someone said he was by no means second-rate as a composer, at least.
Salieri was intent on stealing his original manuscripts of which Mozart kept no copies. Why? Because Salieri was a jealous, second rate composer whose intent was to plagiarize if not claim they were his own. He hired a maid to obtain them.
11 Sep 13
Originally posted by NoEarthlyReasonPlot Summary for
Maybe I remembered it wrongly. I think someone said he was by no means second-rate as a composer, at least.
Amadeus (1984) More at IMDbPro »
"Antonio Salieri believes that Mozart's music is divine. He wishes he was himself as good a musician as Mozart so that he can praise the Lord through composing. But he can't understand why God favored Mozart, such a vulgar creature, to be his instrument. Salieri's envy has made him an enemy of God whose greatness was evident in Mozart. He is set to take revenge." Written by Khaled Salem
"Claiming to have murdered the composer Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, the now elderly Antonio Salieri recounts to a priest his dealings with the brilliant composer. Salieri was court composer to Austrian Emperor Joseph II when Mozart and he first met. The Emperor, a major patron of the arts, immediately commissioned Mozart to write an opera in German, rather than the customary Italian. Mozart is childish, arrogant, annoying and brilliant all at once and Salieri is simultaneously in awe and green with envy at his genius. Salieri uses Mozart's difficult relationship with his father and his guilt over being a bad son to drive him slightly mad and into a downward spiral of ill health, leading to his death." Written by garykmcd
Plot Synopsis: The story begins in 1823 as the elderly Salieri attempts suicide by slitting his throat while loudly begging forgiveness for having killed Mozart in 1791." See more... / This summary should help us with the details. -Bob
11 Sep 13
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyHistorical accuracy
Plot Summary for
Amadeus (1984) More at IMDbPro »
"Antonio Salieri believes that Mozart's music is divine. He wishes he was himself as good a musician as Mozart so that he can praise the Lord through composing. But he can't understand why God favored Mozart, such a vulgar creature, to be his instrument. Salieri's envy has made him an enemy of God w ...[text shortened]... illed Mozart in 1791." See more... / This summary should help us with the details. -Bob
Shaffer used artistic license in his portrayals of both Mozart and Salieri. Documentary evidence suggests that there was some antipathy between the two men, but the idea that Salieri was the instigator of Mozart's demise is not taken seriously by scholars of the men's lives and careers. While historically there may have been actual rivalry and tension between Mozart and Salieri, there is also evidence that they enjoyed a relationship marked by mutual respect.[1] As an example, Salieri later tutored Mozart's son Franz Xaver Wolfgang Mozart in music. He also conducted some of Mozart's works, both in Mozart's lifetime and afterwards.[2]
Writer David Cairns called Amadeus "myth-mongering" and argued against Shaffer's alleged portrait of Mozart as "two contradictory beings, sublime artist and fool", positing instead that Mozart was "fundamentally well-integrated". Cairns also rejects the "romantic legend" that Mozart always wrote out perfect manuscripts of works already completely composed in his head, citing major and prolonged revisions to several manuscripts (see: Mozart's compositional method).[citation needed]
Source: Wikipedia article on Amadeus
11 Sep 13
Originally posted by NoEarthlyReasonWhat poetic license was taken in the writing and on the screen. Manipulations of fact may explain the exaggerated portrayals of both main characters. Thank you. We should do this again sometime when there's nothing worth watching on TV. lol
Historical accuracy
Shaffer used artistic license in his portrayals of both Mozart and Salieri. Documentary evidence suggests that there was some antipathy between the two men, but the idea that Salieri was the instigator of Mozart's demise is not taken seriously by scholars of the men's lives and careers. While historically there may have been actu ...[text shortened]... s compositional method).[citation needed]
Source: Wikipedia article on Amadeus
11 Sep 13
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyYou're welcome. It's very easy for popular misconceptions to arise on historical matters, especially when caused by TV and film writers.
What poetic license was taken in the writing and on the screen. Manipulations of fact may explain the exaggerated portrayals of both main characters. Thank you. We should do this again sometime when there's nothing worth watching on TV. lol
