@vivify
Must be due to all the male writers.
It's a relatively recent phenomenon for women to be written parts where the character actually talks to another female character rather than just being there, at best, just to respond to male characters. You should try scoring the incidence of between female dialogue in older movies and TV programmes.
@relentless-red saidIt also the same when dramas are written by women, like in the show "Fleabag", an excellent British dramatic comedy that came out a few years ago, based on a one-woman play starring the woman who wrote it. Same for "The Handmaid's Tale", "Jane the Virgin", etc. All written and produced by women.
@vivify
Must be due to all the male writers.
It's a relatively recent phenomenon for women to be written parts where the character actually talks to another female character rather than just being there, at best, just to respond to male characters. You should try scoring the incidence of between female dialogue in older movies and TV programmes.
Seems like you're referring to the the Bechdel test. Yeah, women in fiction tend to have their stories revolve around, or least set in motion by, men. For example:
"The Marvelous Ms. Maisel", written by the woman who wrote "Gilmore Girls" (another excellent show) is about a woman who launches a career after her husband leaves her for another woman. The show's opening scene shows her speaking at--of course--her wedding, followed by scenes of how she spends her life supporting, adoring and sacrificing herself for her husband.
Tears flow in that show as well.
17 Feb 22
@kevin-eleven saidAny time, Scooter.
Thank you for your part in maintaining damaging stereotypes about manhood. 🙄
17 Feb 22
@vivify saidFair enough. I'm glad to see that this has sparked some conversation, though.
I'm talking about fictional characters. Hence, the word "TV" in the thread title.
My OP is about how women are portrayed in fiction. I made no comment on the actual nature of women.
17 Feb 22
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@vivify saidHow about Abigail Spencer, who played the female lead, historian Lucy Preston, of Timeless, a 2016 TV show about time travel (currently watching this on Hulu). I'm about halfway through the first season of two, and so far I haven't seen her cry. Her character is a strong character who has to stand up for her values many times. Funny, I'd almost expect typical tears from her, as she started her acting career on the ABC daytime television soap opera All My Children (1999–2001).
It seems almost a requirement that any drama staring women will at some point show them crying. I'm sure there are dramas starting men where that doesn't happen, but that would likely be to the female characters getting less screen time.
Can anyone name a drama starring or co-starring women where they managed to get through an entire season without shedding tears?
NOTE: this is not a complaint of women crying, I was just curious.
I'll let you know if she does come to tears before the end of the series.
17 Feb 22
@very-rusty saidIt's always heartbreaking to lose family.
Thank you suzianne....It was especially hard for them as it happened Christmas day, and they all love Christmas. One of his daughters use to hang with him a lot since my Sister passed back in 2013.
-VR
Since Covid, many of my friends have lost family over the virus. It never gets any easier.
@suzianne saidI know automatically people think Covid, but he had issues with his kidneys and the meds made his immune system weak. He was 75 and never sick a day in his life until about 7 months ago I noticed he wasn't quite himself. He told me he felt fine, but never wanted anyone to know if he wasn't feeling good.
It's always heartbreaking to lose family.
Since Covid, many of my friends have lost family over the virus. It never gets any easier.
-VR
17 Feb 22
@kevin-eleven saidI bet I'm the only one here who knows what that means.
Tell us of your women-crying TV dramas, Usul.
18 Feb 22
@vivify saidcowboy bebop
It seems almost a requirement that any drama staring women will at some point show them crying. I'm sure there are dramas starting men where that doesn't happen, but that would likely be to the female characters getting less screen time.
Can anyone name a drama starring or co-starring women where they managed to get through an entire season without shedding tears?
NOTE: this is not a complaint of women crying, I was just curious.
only ten episodes, but i do not recall any of the female characters shedding any tears
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@rookie54 saidI haven't watched the live action one because of the bad reviews (plus live action anime adaptions are pretty much all terrible).
cowboy bebop
only ten episodes, but i do not recall any of the female characters shedding any tears
I can't recall any scenes of Faye crying in the anime, so you may be right.
18 Feb 22
@suzianne saidthe live action version
Oooooooh, good call.
The animated one, or the new live-action version?
i was clueless about the anime until today
i must admit, when i realized the producers of the show were going to attempt to out-bloodlet tarantino, i nearly went elsewhere for entertainment but one of the first guys to die horribly was carrying a disruptor
i was hooked