19 Apr 07
Originally posted by RagnorakWell, no. I just wouldn't know where to easily purchase legal firearms in this country. When I lived in Arizona I could just go to a gun show or the pawn shops... And most of the time the waiting period wouldn't be enforced, the paperwork would be almost pointless, and you could have all sorts of things - some of it fairly heavy armament for the "home user."
You're joking right? Do you have a criminal record or something, which stops you?
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I can't just hop on the DART and head into town and grab a weapon from the local shooting supply shop while I'm picking up a carton of milk and a bag of potatoes...
19 Apr 07
Originally posted by st00p1dfac3What's to stop you going to a gun shop and buying one?
Well, no. I just wouldn't know where to easily purchase legal firearms in this country. When I lived in Arizona I could just go to a gun show or the pawn shops... And most of the time the waiting period wouldn't be enforced, the paperwork would be almost pointless, and you could have all sorts of things - some of it fairly heavy armament for the "home ...[text shortened]... local shooting supply shop while I'm picking up a carton of milk and a bag of potatoes...
Not being able to buy one over the counter at your local grocers doesn't equate to "I couldn't buy a gun here for all my money and a Curly-wurly".
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19 Apr 07
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Originally posted by RagnorakI have to agree... the kid, st00p1dfac3, doesn't know what he's talking about.
What's to stop you going to a gun shop and buying one?
Not being able to buy one over the counter at your local grocers doesn't equate to "I couldn't buy a gun here for all my money and a Curly-wurly".
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19 Apr 07
Originally posted by RagnorakI didn't say you couldn't, ass-bag, I said I couldn't. It's about the relative accesibility.
What's to stop you going to a gun shop and buying one?
Not being able to buy one over the counter at your local grocers doesn't equate to "I couldn't buy a gun here for all my money and a Curly-wurly".
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Here - http://tinyurl.com/38xbmx
This is section four of the 2006 revision of the Firearms act in Ireland. Among other things, the Gardai can search your house prior to allowing you to purchase a weapon. So I can't get a legal firearm - I don't have a good reason for one, and I refuse the invasion of my privacy. This is a far cry from walking into Wal-Mart and purchasing (without waiting period) a rifle or shotgun along with all the ammo you can carry.
19 Apr 07
Originally posted by ArrakisI am not a kid. I know what I'm talking about, and since you obviously don't, you should probably go read about more government conspiracies to impregnate our females with alien spawn while killing off all the men with some half-assed medicinal plot which involves putting mind controlling chemicals in our condoms...
I have to agree... the kid, st00p1dfac3, doesn't know what he's talking about.
19 Apr 07
Originally posted by st00p1dfac3What's with the insult? Don't blame me just because you make incorrect statements...
I didn't say you couldn't, ass-bag, I said I couldn't. It's about the relative accesibility.
Here - http://tinyurl.com/38xbmx
This is section four of the 2006 revision of the Firearms act in Ireland. Among other things, the Gardai can search your house prior to allowing you to purchase a weapon. So I can't get a legal firearm - I don't have a good reason for one, and I refuse the invasion of my privacy.
"In Ireland it is becoming increasingly common to hear about a shooting in Artane or Moyross or Kilbarrack or Limerick or wherever. I couldn't buy a gun here for all my money and a Curly-wurly. People still get shot."
Your point was that there are shootings here, even though it is impossible to legally buy a gun in Ireland. That's simply not true, and I called you on it.
The gardai don't search your house, they can check that you have a suitable safe for you guns.
Do you know how easy it is to join your local gun club? That's your good reason to own a gun.
Admit it, as opposed to you not being able to buy a gun legally in Ireland for all the money on the earth (and a curly wurly), you just have no interest in buying a gun, and have never gone to the bother of finding out how to do it.
It's a far cry from your original point.
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19 Apr 07
One of the primary reasons for the second amendment right to bear arms is so that the general population will always have the means to rise up against a tyrannical government.
Although recent events might get completely sidetracked by America's lack of gun control, there seems to be a continuing trend among American youth to protest against their society in a very violent manner. Often out of disgust or revenge, these people take the most desperate course of action to raise their voices in contempt of this world. The media are too quick to label their contempt as deranged.
19 Apr 07
Originally posted by RagnorakI'm looking at it, but I'm not seeing the part where I said "It is impossible to get a gun in Ireland." That would obviously be an untrue statement. I also didn't say "all the money on earth," I said all my money - which (unfortunately) is a completely different matter. As to the rest of your question I already answered it.
What's with the insult? Don't blame me just because you make incorrect statements...
"In Ireland it is becoming increasingly common to hear about a shooting in Artane or Moyross or Kilbarrack or Limerick or wherever. I couldn't buy a gun here for all my money and a Curly-wurly. People still get shot."
Your point was that there are shootings here, even ...[text shortened]... he bother of finding out how to do it.
It's a far cry from your original point.
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Let me make my original point very clear -
Whenever something like the VA Tech incident happens, people start shouting for gun control.
Gun control is not an answer to gun violence.
Example reason for my opinion - In Ireland it is much more difficult to obtain a firearm legally than in the states, yet there is an increasing amount of crime related to firearms. So does gun control stop criminals and crazies from getting guns? No.
19 Apr 07
Originally posted by st00p1dfac3What does a shooting in Moyross have to do with your financial situation. Were you just making random, unconnected points in the original post I quoted?
I'm looking at it, but I'm not seeing the part where I said "It is impossible to get a gun in Ireland." That would obviously be an untrue statement. I also didn't say "all the money on earth," I said all my money - which (unfortunately) is a completely different matter. As to the rest of your question I already answered it.
Let me make my or ...[text shortened]... ated to firearms. So does gun control stop criminals and crazies from getting guns? No.
So when you said "I couldn't buy a gun here for all my money and a Curly-wurly." were you implying that you could buy a gun in america "for all your money and a curly-wurly?". Getting a gun over the counter at Walmart still requires money, you know? What has your lack of money got to do with gun control? Are you even capable of a coherent debate?
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19 Apr 07
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Originally posted by RagnorakYou got me. Busted! Shoot. It was late, I was tired, and to be totally honest I'd had a few. My point regarding gun control was still valid, if not concise or succinct.
What does a shooting in Moyross have to do with your financial situation. Were you just making random, unconnected points in the original post I quoted?
So when you said "I couldn't buy a gun here for all my money and a Curly-wurly." were you implying that you could buy a gun in america "for all your money and a curly-wurly?". Getting a gun over the ...[text shortened]... lack of money got to do with gun control? Are you even capable of a coherent debate?
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You're the one who seems to have difficulty with the "debate" idea. I was posting regarding something someone else posted - It wasn't a debate with you or anyone else to begin with. On top of that, you seem to enjoy obfuscating, blurring the topic by latching on to the wording rather than the actual point. If I had known it would turn into nit-picking with you, I wouldn't have put a reference to a delicious snack in there either - you should have realised that a Curly-Wurly does not make for a serious debate. As to whether I could get a gun in America for all my money and a Curly-Wurly - I could get a gun very easily and for a very reasonable price (as I mentioned before you can get them cheap at the pawn shops) but I wouldn't have been able to get a Curly-Wurly "for all the money in the world." So, my point stands as my opinion - whether you agree with that (the gun-control point) or not is one thing. If you don't like the wording, that's another. In either case I couldn't care less.
Anyway, I feel I have explained myself sufficiently, and as an added one-time-only bonus I will apologise for the "ass-bag" jab. I apologise. So, can we agree to drop this now?
20 Apr 07
Originally posted by st00p1dfac3I'm perfectly aware of the use of 'en masse', such as the martial legal term 'levee en masse' where a group of civilians who spontaneously rise up against to fight an occupying force are despite being civilians and not wearing uniform are still covered by the Geneva convention. 'On mass' is a dirceet translation of that French and is independantly valid as a description of 'a lot at the same time'. Don't try to be clever if it's just going to make you look stupid.
1. It's "en masse."
2. Selling Anthrax and selling guns are two different things.
3. Watch "Bowling for Columbine." Having access to guns doesn't create a society where people shoot each other, any more than not shooting each other is a result of not being able to buy a gun to save your life. Crappy joke intended.
In Ireland it is becoming inc ...[text shortened]... r. I couldn't buy a gun here for all my money and a Curly-wurly. People still get shot.
Selling one method to kill people and another has similarities. OK, anthrax has no useful purpose, but there's a reason why you can't buy arsenic from the local chemist any more. It's undeniable that any society where it is easy to purchase guns, legally or illegally, will have more gun deaths than one where it is not. Compare the numbers of gun deaths in Ireland to the US - I guarantee that after factoring in population differences there are still vastly more gun deaths in the US. You only hear about them in Ireland because they are unusual - in the US they're so common it's not newsworthy.
"needing to buy a gun to save your life" is a foolish argument often etouted by gun supporters, despite the fact that you are 5 times more likely to shoot a faminly member than an intruder. Check the Ireland stats seeing sas you mentioned Ireland - 40% of gun crime is drug related, most other is inside the criminal world. Very little is innocent civilians who "need guns for protection"