03 Aug 04
Originally posted by Cribswhere has sangeeta stated points 1 or 2?
Ok, let me summarize what I have learned
from you so far.
1. All of our posters should be respected.
2. Except pimps who post about pimping.
3. The primary purpose of my lesson is to degrade.
Two of these points are contradictory to each other,
and one is false. What motiviation would I have
to keep learning from you if all you have to teach
is nonsense or untrue?
Dr. Cribs
or are you trying to tell her what she is saying?
as for 3, the way you depict the pimping business is degrading to women.
in friendship,
prad
03 Aug 04
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Originally posted by CribsYou seem to say, Dr. Crib, that Sangeeta has missed your point. It is YOU who has missed hers.
It is comments and sentiments such as this, recently
observed in the forums but directed toward Christians
rather than pimps, that led to me choosing this particular
topic for this week's lesson. Perhaps you should reread
it. Maybe you will learn something.
Whatever your intention, it is never OK to use language that puts people down. You have couched your message in an "analogy" that degrades women.
As a woman, I find it offensive and completely reprehensible.
In peace
Ranjana
03 Aug 04
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Originally posted by imveganTough.
As a woman, I find it offensive and completely reprehensible.
As an intelligent human being, I find Democrats offensive,
I find Republicans offensive, I find feminists offensive,
I find atheists offensive, I find Christians offensive, I find
Jews offensive, I find foreigners offensive, I find my
neighbors offensive, I find white people offensive, and
I find black people offensive.
All of these are discussed freely here. I have never so much
as whispered a complaint about their right to be discussed,
because I recognize that we all have our own different
ideas, none of which can hurt you, but could possibly
enlighten you.
Dr. Cribs
P.S. I find vegans offensive too.
03 Aug 04
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Originally posted by CribsI find humanity offensive, except when I'm giving mad props to certain of it's members 😉. An honest rec for that.
Tough.
As an intelligent human being, I find Democrats offensive,
I find Republicans offensive, I find feminists offensive,
I find atheists offensive, I find Christians offensive, I find
Jews offensive, I find foreigners offensive, I fi ...[text shortened]...
enlighten you.
Dr. Cribs
P.S. I find vegans offensive too.
03 Aug 04
Originally posted by Cribsperhaps you find all these groups offensive, but perhaps that puts you in better position to appreciate the dilemmas of those who have been offended.
Tough.
As an intelligent human being, I find Democrats offensive,
I find Republicans offensive, I find feminists offensive,
I find atheists offensive, I find Christians offensive, I find
Jews offensive, I find foreigners offensive, I find my
neighbors offensive, I find white people offensive, and
I find black people offensive.
All of these are disc ...[text shortened]... hurt you, but could possibly
enlighten you.
Dr. Cribs
P.S. I find vegans offensive too.
if you find being insulted offensive, surely you would try in some measure not to be insulting.
if you find being exploited offensive, surely you would not want to exploit someone else.
if you have been humiliated, surely you would not try to do the same to another.
geez! that's such a long list of people to be offended by!
and yet you seem like such a happy guy - perhaps, it's really not so bad.
besides, i recall from what osse has told us, you are really a 55 yr old vicar.
in friendship,
prad
03 Aug 04
Originally posted by pradtfSecond to RC's answer to the Review Question,
geez! that's such a long list of people to be offended by!
and yet you seem like such a happy guy - perhaps, it's really not so bad.
this is the most brilliant observation put forth
so far in this thread.
I am a happy guy, and one reason is that I do not have
fear of others' ideas.
Offense is a personal problem. It's all in one's head.
If everybody would just get over it like I have, we
would all get along better and people would not be
so angry.
Dr. Cribs
03 Aug 04
I'm going to stick my neck out a bit in defense of Cribs here. His pimpin' persona is extremely well-developed satire in the proud tradition of Sacha Cohen and Andy Kaufman. I think becoming offended by something that clever is a massive failure of imagination, and while I don't mean to stereotype anybody, I think this is a standard case of a socially conscious person not having a sense of humor.
Of course, this is void if the person behind Cribs' persona (and please refer to my many earlier posts on the diference between the persona and the person) is an actual pimp. That doesn't bother me any, but it does make what I perceived as self-righteousness into more of a legitimate topic for discussion.
03 Aug 04
Originally posted by Cribsi do not see how on one hand you can find so many things offensive, yet on the other say that you have gotten over it. if you have gotten over it, then those things aren't offensive anymore.
Second to RC's answer to the Review Question,
this is the most brilliant observation put forth
so far in this thread.
I am a happy guy, and one reason is that I do not have
fear of others' ideas.
Offense is a personal problem. It's all in one's head.
If everybody would just get over it like I have, we
would all get along better and people would not be
so angry.
Dr. Cribs
once again, the issue isn't simply a matter of who is offended. it has to do with how we treat other people.
in friendship,
prad
03 Aug 04
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Originally posted by royalchickenwell, at least, a few weeks ago you thought i had a good sense of punmour.
I think this is a standard case of a socially conscious person not having a sense of humor.
i don't think racist jokes are funny. is my social consciousness, getting in the way of my humour?
i don't think sexist jokes are funny. is my social consciousness, getting in the way of my humour?
i don't think jokes about the disabled are funny. is it my social consciousness, getting in the way of my humour?
surely, at some point, social consciousness needs to get in the way of humour.
in friendship,
prad
03 Aug 04
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Originally posted by pradtfYes, yes, yes.
i don't think racist jokes are funny. is my social consciousness, getting in the way of my humour?
i don't think sexist jokes are funny. is my social consciousness, getting in the way of my humour?
i don't think jokes about the disabl ...[text shortened]... is it my social consciousness, getting in the way of my humour?
When you make a joke about Class A of people, you are not
laughing at those individuals or that group as a whole. If the
humor is intelligent, it is found in the stereotypes of how
Class A differs from the rest of the world.
While the socially conscious like to "Celebrate our Differences,"
it can be just as healthy to "Celebrate our Perceived Differences."
03 Aug 04
Originally posted by Cribsbut you aren't celebrating anything, perceived or otherwise.
While the socially conscience like to "Celebrate our Differences,"
it can be just as healthy to "Celebrate our Perceived Differences."
you are, in pixelated format of course, getting a group of women to work for you, whether they like it or not, and paying them whatever you see fit. that is exploitation, in pixelated format albeit, and it is degradation in any format.
in friendship,
prad
03 Aug 04
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Originally posted by pradtfYou perceive that all pimps are abusive, exploitive, and degrading.
but you aren't celebrating anything, perceived or otherwise.
you are, in pixelated format of course, getting a group of women to work for you, whether they like it or not, and paying them whatever you see fit. that is exploitation, in pixe ...[text shortened]... beit, and it is degradation in any format.
in friendship,
prad
You are the one who is stereotyping. Not all pimps are that way.
Regardless, I am leveraging that perception to share some of my
deeper insight into life within and outside of our little microcosm
of reality that we call RHP.
Dr. Cribs
03 Aug 04
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Originally posted by Cribsno i am not saying that all pimps are abusive, exploitive, and degrading at all - even though that seems to be the accepted stereotype.
You perceive that all pimps are abusive, exploitive, and degrading.
You are the one who is stereotyping. Not all pimps are that way.
Regardless, I am leveraging that perception to share some of my
deeper insight into life within and out ...[text shortened]... of our little microcosm
of reality that we call RHP.
Dr. Cribs
but i am saying that you are - or at least give that impression (as a joke i'm sure, but still not funny):
Yo, I got dis one Russian ho named Katya. I work her
all around tha Red Square and under tha bridges in
St. Petersburg.
Ho's never tell me Nyet!, unless they want a one-way ticket to Siberia
the above certainly fits the exploitive and abusive criteria - it seems rather degrading too.
please do not think that i haven't noticed and appreciated your contributions since your arrival here - i have already told you so in the other thread.
but surely, a different way can be found - because, you are right, it is our reality here on RHP.
in friendship,
prad
03 Aug 04
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Originally posted by pradtfOnly in your Eurocentric mindset, which doesn't acknowledge
Yo, I got dis one Russian ho named Katya. I work her
all around tha Red Square and under tha bridges in
St. Petersburg.
Ho's never tell me Nyet!, unless they want a one-way ticket to Siberia
the above certainly fits th ...[text shortened]... exploitive and abusive criteria - it seems rather degrading too.
that other cultures and sub-cultures can have their own
expressions and style of speaking that are perfectly acceptable
within their own community, but which are unacceptable when
brought to your upper-class dinner table.
By saying that I shouldn't speak that way is essentially saying,
"We don't allow your kind at our table." Either that or "If you're
going to eat with the rest of us, then you need to talk like the rest
of us." They are both about the same, so take your pick. Either
way, I'd rather just pick something up at Dairy Queen tonight.
Dr. Cribs
P.S. Surely you don't think pimps are too feeble-minded
to speak in metaphors, or do you?. Do you think I literally
send my ho's on a train to Siberia?
03 Aug 04
Originally posted by Cribsmy background isn't european - nor is my mindset.
Only in your Eurocentric mindset, which doesn't acknowledge
that other cultures and sub-cultures can have their own
expressions and style of speaking that are perfectly acceptable
within their own community, but which are unacceptable when
brought to your upper-class dinner table.
By saying that I shouldn't speak that way is essentially saying,
"We ...[text shortened]... your pick. Either
way, I'd rather just pick something up at Dairy Queen tonight.
Dr. Cribs
and we aren't talking about styles of speaking either.
here's what it's about:
1. I work her all around tha Red Square and under tha bridges in St. Petersburg
2. Ho's never tell me Nyet!, unless they want a one-way ticket to Siberia
point 1 is specifically an exploitive action and they don't say nyet because point 2 the abusive threat of siberia looms in the distance.
this lies beyond cultures and sub-cultures, and you have certainly not poetically painted an amorous encounter expressing your glorification of womanhood in any language.
you are most certainly welcome to dine at our table - you'll have to eat vegetarian though.
in friendship,
prad