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01 Nov 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidHe must be proud of it though - I expect it costs him insurance and taxes... 🙂
My neighbour's small blue car that hasn't moved an inch in 7 years. (He washes it once a month).
@divegeester saidBy ‘in the shadow’ I mean those who are also under suspicion as being potential paedophiles simply because they like working with children. This includes male football instructors, male primary school teachers, or anyone who has access to young children and of course females are now no longer exempt. As for the grief of families and friends, that is a separate issue.
I would say that being kidnapped, raped, murdered and dumped in a plastic bag is the most dreadful thing that can happen to a child. And the many innocent others such as parents and family who suffer a lifetime of agonising grief and loss are infinitely more in a shadow than a chap who can’t lead a scout group.
But I remember you vehemently arguing that a person who c ...[text shortened]... d back into society on the basis that a parole board felt he was rehabilitated from his “sick mind”.
You have made it sound as if I primarily feel that people who rape then murder children should be released back into society? That is not what I said. What I argued was that if the parole board made this decision I would trust their judgement in the expectation that they would be making that decision based on their own expertise. Had I been appointed to sit on the particular parole board that you mention above I do not know what I would decide when I had all of the facts in front of me. The case in question was in fact challenged and the perpetrator remained in prison I believe, which in fact was part of the parole process?
On a personal level I could have the potential to seriously injure a person who was responsible for the rape and murder of my child were he released into the community.
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01 Nov 19
@torunn saidI'm not so sure. As he never drives it I doubt it is taxed or insured. It just sits there on his drive, spoiling my view of the cherry blossom.
He must be proud of it though - I expect it costs him insurance and taxes... 🙂
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@drewnogal saidI feel as you do, Drew. If you imagine such a thing happening to a child you know it becomes even unbearable. We still have two young ones in the family - 11 and 5 years old - and we tend to be overprotective. Thanks to the cellphones, I can keep in touch with my grandson when he is travelling by bus and tram through the city to my home.
On a personal level I could have the potential to seriously injure a person who was responsible for the rape and murder of my child were he released into the community.
@drewnogal saidWell the fact is that you would, albeit vicariously through the parole board, approve of that person's release back into society.
You have made it sound as if I primarily feel that people who rape then murder children should be released back into society? That is not what I said. What I argued was that if the parole board made this decision I would trust their judgement in the expectation that they would be making that decision based on their own expertise.
I would not under any circumstances approve of this persons release.
And therein lies the difference in our opinion.
But my post was triggered by your extrapolation of the crime of child sexual abuse into "the worst thing that could happen to a child", it isn't. The real life case we are discussing in the above paragraph is by far and away the worst thing that could happen to a child and has happened.
Following on from that, yes I know what you meant by shadow but I was reminding you that your example of the man's reticence in obtaining a the role of scout leader is nothing, absolutely nothing in comparison to the eternal loss and grief of a mother father in the above real life example.
I was also prompted to reply because of your use of "sick minds" a term which i wholeheartedly agree with and which also supports my position that the murdering devil in the top paragraph should never see the free world again - these people are sick they belong locked up in places such as Broadmoor and not on the streets because a parole board think they are no longer "sick".
I know your posting intentions are positive and I don't mean to get at you I just disagree with you on a fundamental level on this topic and your initial post required my reply. 🙂
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@divegeester saidCould there ever be mitigating circumstances for such crimes, you think?
Well the fact is that you would, albeit vicariously through the parole board, approve of that person's release back into society.
I would not under any circumstances approve of this persons release.
And therein lies the difference in our opinion.
But my post was triggered by your extrapolation of the crime of child sexual abuse into "the worst thing that could ha ...[text shortened]... t disagree with you on a fundamental level on this topic and your initial post required my reply. 🙂
01 Nov 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidFunny stuff after 7 years I am assuming it can't be moved!!!!
My neighbour's small blue car that hasn't moved an inch in 7 years. (He washes it once a month).
For a small fee and an address I can have it removed for you! 😉
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01 Nov 19
@ghost-of-a-duke said🙂 One might wonder why he keeps it...?
I'm not so sure. As he never drives it I doubt it is taxed or insured. It just sits there on his drive, spoiling my view of the cherry blossom.
01 Nov 19
@ghost-of-a-duke said2.4 cm
My neighbour's small blue car that hasn't moved an inch in 7 years. (He washes it once a month).
yer not really british, are you?
you are some sort of clinical psychiatrist in some cushy office in cambridge collecting data on the unwashed masses yearning to breathe free and yer intent is to keep us all enslaved to the bourgeoisie proletariat!
i hope yer shoes cause you corns
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@rookie54 saidI don't wear shoes. I am carried everywhere in a chariot.
2.4 cm
yer not really british, are you?
you are some sort of clinical psychiatrist in some cushy office in cambridge collecting data on the unwashed masses yearning to breathe free and yer intent is to keep us all enslaved to the bourgeoisie proletariat!
i hope yer shoes cause you corns
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01 Nov 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThe ones on fire? 🤔
I don't wear shoes. I am carried everywhere in a chariot.
01 Nov 19
@torunn saidNot that I can think of, can you?
Could there ever be mitigating circumstances for such crimes, you think?