15 Jul 13
Originally posted by robbie carrobieZimmerman wasn't told by the police to do anything. The dispatcher, who had no authority, said "We don't need you to do that." That is not an order.
nonsense, had Zimmerman done what he was told to do, by the police, none of this would have happened. Martin would have gone home, Zimmerman would have waited in his car/truck and the police would have arrived.
15 Jul 13
Originally posted by woodypusherZimmerman should done what he was supposed to do, shut up, sit on his hands and make like a fat pumpkin, wait for someone that had authority to take charge, he is entirely responsible, someone as dumb as him should not be allowed to carry a water pistol never mind a real gun.
The law says if someone is "beating your arse" you can justifiably use self-defense. What was Zimmerman supposed to do during the beatdown? Try to get away? He did. Hope Martin would stop? He didn't. Scream for help? He did. No one came. Call the police. He already did.
When all those failed, only then, did Zimmerman draw his weapon and fire one shot. ...[text shortened]... ecided he had enough facial wounds to claim self-defense and shot Martin.
Yeah right.
16 Jul 13
Originally posted by woodypusherThe law doesn't protect the initiator of force. If you force someone into a confrontation, that is quite different than if someone picks a fight with you and you shoot them.
The law says if someone is "beating your arse" you can justifiably use self-defense. What was Zimmerman supposed to do during the beatdown? Try to get away? He did. Hope Martin would stop? He didn't. Scream for help? He did. No one came. Call the police. He already did.
When all those failed, only then, did Zimmerman draw his weapon and fire one shot. ...[text shortened]... ecided he had enough facial wounds to claim self-defense and shot Martin.
Yeah right.
I also find it very hard to believe that someone both A) can't defend himself from punches and yet B) has time to draw a weapon and fire it.
16 Jul 13
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Originally posted by SwissGambitfrom sonhouse's original thread:
Trayvon.
We even whitewash the name. 😲
slatington, pa, usa
Joined : 28 Dec '04
14 Jul '13 10:04
[Florida jury just pronounced Zimmerman not guilty of murdering Trevor Martin.
Now the question is, will there be riots because the black community will certainly see this as a white boy whitewash.]
This is just another example of being too quick to judge everything between African-Americans and whites as racial.
Here is the note Rachel Jeantel, written with the help from another one of Martin's friends, spelling Trayvon as 'Trevon' (and looking a little like 'Trevor'😉
Whitewashing?
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/06/27/witness-8-rachel-jeantel-scheme-participation-dot-connection/
16 Jul 13
Originally posted by woodypusherHow can you not...oh, nevermind, have a friend explain it to you. 😕
from sonhouse's original thread:
slatington, pa, usa
Joined : 28 Dec '04
14 Jul '13 10:04
[Florida jury just pronounced Zimmerman not guilty of murdering Trevor Martin.
Now the question is, will there be riots because the black community will certainly see this as a white boy whitewash.]
This is just another example of being too quick to judge ...[text shortened]... vetreehouse.com/2013/06/27/witness-8-rachel-jeantel-scheme-participation-dot-connection/
16 Jul 13
Originally posted by SwissGambitHave you seen the photos of Zimmerman's face and the gunshot wound of Martin's chest?
The law doesn't protect the initiator of force. If you force someone into a confrontation, that is quite different than if someone picks a fight with you and you shoot them.
I also find it very hard to believe that someone both A) can't defend himself from punches and yet B) has time to draw a weapon and fire it.
If that doesn't convince you, let's look at the the state's version of what went down that night (This is copied and pasted from my facebook page. I'm too lazy to type it all out again):
I think I figured out what the Martin supporters think happened during the 45-seconds of screams for help heard on the phone tapes.
Zimmerman, with his gun already drawn, walked up to Martin and said "What are you doing around here?" Martin saw the gun pointed at him, stood there and started screaming for help. Then Zimmerman punched Martin with his free hand. Then they struggled and Zimmerman with one arm (the other arm still had the gun) got Martin to the ground. Martin then yelled "Get off! Get off!" (Jeantel testimony) and started punching Zimmerman in the face, never once trying to get the gun away from Zimmerman. (no Martin DNA on gun). Instead he screamed for help and was punching Zimmerman in the face and back of the head (explain that) from the bottom. All this time Zimmerman held Martin to the ground with one hand and held the gun with the other. Martin continued to strike Zimmerman's face from the bottom instead of trying to get the gun. Then Zimmerman shot him, after allowing martin to beat on his face and back of his head for 45 seconds.
I almost forgot about the gunshot residue found on Martin's hoodie and sweatshirt. There was none on Martin's skin indicating there was a separation between his chest and clothes. This does not mean Martin was on top and leaning forward as any logical person would think, but instead mean that Zimmerman, while being pummeled in the face from the bottom, pulled Martin's clothes upward, touched the hoodie with his gun, and fired. Clever guy that Zimmerman! During the 40+ second beating from the bottom he received from Martin, he realized he needed that separation to collaborate his 'made-up' story of being on the bottom and using self-defense. Quick thinking, Zimmerman!
[added just now: The state did offer the wounds on the back of Zimmerman's head could have been caused by a tree branch. So let me change their story above to Martin, seeing Zimmerman had a gun, decided to arm himself with a tree branch that just happened to be on the ground next to him. So during the time he was beating Zimmerman's face from the bottom with one hand, the other was hittin Zimmerman on the back of the head with the tree branch. This would explain why Martin did not go after the gun instead. Both hands were busy]
So if you don't believe the photos and physical evidence, then you must believe the above.
16 Jul 13
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI think it is infinitely dumber to attack a person who has a gun pointed at you, as Martin supporters claim he did. Just my opinion
Zimmerman should done what he was supposed to do, shut up, sit on his hands and make like a fat pumpkin, wait for someone that had authority to take charge, he is entirely responsible, someone as dumb as him should not be allowed to carry a water pistol never mind a real gun.