What is the point of Hell?

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And remove their free will?

God doesn't come down and introduce himself to each of us for the very same reason.


Pretty hard to insist that something that has been shown to you is not real.

I guess unless you're a Republican.


To answer your post directly, I can't answer. I guess it's where the Lake of Fire is stashed. I can't see any other point.

@suzianne said
And remove their free will?

The incoherent ideology of "Hell" and everlasting torture makes nonsense of the concept of "free will". If the existence of the Christian version of "Hell" were demonstrably true, THEN people could exercise "free will" about how to live their lives in light of Christian narratives.

@suzianne said
God doesn't come down and introduce himself to each of us for the very same reason.

Is your God figure not capable of revealing himself to each one of us?

@suzianne said
Pretty hard to insist that something that has been shown to you is not real.

Who would "insist that" it "is not real" and why would they do it?

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No, what you're missing is that, at that point, the "informed" choice is NO choice.

@suzianne said
No, what you're missing is that, at that point, the "informed" choice is NO choice.

Yes, there is. People could consider the rewards and punishments and make a choice about whether to obey. They could exercise their free will.

@fmf said
The incoherent ideology of "Hell" and everlasting torture makes nonsense of the concept of "free will". If the existence of the Christian version of "Hell" were demonstrably true, THEN people could exercise "free will" about how to live their lives in light of Christian narratives.

Again, you do not understand the concept of choice.

True choices are things like "Do you choose Door #1 or Door #2?", but only if the outcomes are uncertain.

If Door #1 has a chocolate cheesecake, and Door #2 has a tiger behind it, ready to eat you, and you know in advance which door has what, is the choice really a choice? Everyone would pick Door #1. Hardly a Free Will choice.

On "Let's Make a Deal", Monty Hall never gave out contrived choices like this. They were only to choose something good, or something less good or nothing. And no one knew which was which. Truly a Free Will choice.

Hell not being true (or at least not knowing), means you do have a choice. Most people deal with this choice by assuming hell is not true and when you die, that's it.

The sad thing is that they choose this because their other choice, going to the New Kingdom, or in common palance, "heaven", is assumed to be not true as well. In effect, they deny the cheesecake behind Door #1. They see the choices as equal, and this thus becomes a free will choice.

@fmf said
Is your God figure not capable of revealing himself to each one of us?

Capability doesn't enter into it.

God's will is that we choose freely.

@suzianne said
Again, you do not understand the concept of choice.

I think I understand it well enough, Suzianne. It's not clear, at all, that your God figure exists: Christian faith is essentially rooted in speculation. Added to this, the eternal torture ideology is morally incoherent. So how does this "genuine" choice work? I have to subscribe to the things that appeal to the imaginations of people like KellyJay and sonship or I will be tortured in burning flames for all eternity. This propagandized groupthink is an insult to "free will".

@suzianne said
The sad thing is that they choose this because their other choice, going to the New Kingdom, or in common palance, "heaven", is assumed to be not true as well.

Where is the credible evidence that there is a "New Kingdom"? Show me that it exists and then I will choose whether I want to go there or not.

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To frighten people into obedience.