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http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/bomb/large/documents/fulltext.php?fulltextid=22

"President Truman to Senator Richard B. Russell, August 9, 1945

August 9, 1945

Dear Dick:

I read your telegram of August seventh with a lot of interest.

I know that Japan is a terribly cruel and uncivilized nation in warfare but I can’t bring myself to believe that, because they are beasts, we should ourselves act in the same manner.

For myself, I certainly regret the necessity of wiping out whole populations because of the "pigheadedness’ of the leaders of a nation and for your information, I am not going to do it unless it is absolutely necessary. It is my opinion that after the Russians enter into war the Japanese will very shortly fold up.

My object is to save as many American lives as possible but I also have a humane feeling for the women and children in Japan.

Sincerely yours,

Honorable Richard B. Russell Winder Georgia

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WU80 LG GOVT

WINDER GA AUG 7 427P THE PRESIDENT

(PERSONAL DELIVERY) THE WHITE HOUSE

PERMIT ME TO RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST THAT WE CEASE OUR EFFORTS TO CAJOLE JAPAN INTO SURRENDERING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE POTSDAM DECLARATION. LET US CARRY THE WAR TO THEM UNTIL THEY BEG US TO ACCEPT THE UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. THE FOUL ATTACK ON PEARL HARBOR BROUGHT US INTO WAR AND I AM UNABLE TO SEE ANY VALID REASON WHY WE SHOULD BE SO MUCH MORE CONSIDERATE AND LENIENT IN DEALING WITH JAPAN THAN WITH GERMANY. I EARNESTLY INSIST JAPAN SHOULD BE DEALT WITH AS HARSHLY AS GERMANY AND THAT SHE

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SHOULD NOT BE THE BENEFICIARY OF A SOFT PEACE. THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, INCLUDING MANY SOUND THINKERS WHO HAVE INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE OF THE ORIENT, DO NOT AGREE WITH MR. GREW IN HIS ATTITUDE THAT THERE IS ANY THING SACROSANCT ABOUT HIROHITO. HE SHOULD GO. WE HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO SHINTOLISM. THE COMPTEMTUOUS ANSWER OF THE JAPS TO THE POTSDAM ULTIMATUM JUSTIFIES A REVISION OF THAT DOCUMENT AND STERNER PEACE TERMS.

IF WE DO NOT HAVE AVAILABLE A SUFFICIENT NUMBER OF ATOMIC BOMBS WITH WHICH TO FINISH THE JOB IMMEDIATELY, LET US CARRY ON WITH TNT AND FIRE BOMBS UNTIL WE CAN PRODUCE THEM.

I ALSO HOPE THAT YOU WILL ISSUE ORDERS FORBIDDING THE OFFICERS IN COMMAND OF OUR AIR FORCES FROM WARNING JAP CITIES

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THAT THEY WILL BE ATTACKED. THESE GENERALS DO NOT FLY OVER JAPAN AND THIS SHOWMANSHIP CAN ONLY RESULT IN THE UNNECESSARY LOSS OF MANY FINE BOYS IN OUR AIR FORCE AS WELL AS OUR HELPLESS PRISONERS IN THE HANDS OF THE JAPANESE, INCLUDING THE SURVIVORS OF THE MARCH OF DEATH ON BATAAN WHO ARE CERTAIN TO BE BROUGHT INTO THE CITIES THAT HAVE BEEN WARNED.

THIS WAS A TOTAL WAR AS LONG AS OUR ENEMIES HELD ALL OF THE CARDS. WHY SHOULD WE CHANGE THE RULES NOW, AFTER THE BLOOD, TREASURE AND ENTERPRISE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE GIVEN US THE UPPER HAND. OUR PEOPLE HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN THAT THE JAPANESE STRUCK US THE FIRST BLOW IN THIS WAR WITHOUT THE SLIGHTEST WARNING. THEY BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO STRIKE THE JAPANESE UNTIL THEY

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ARE BROUGHT GROVELING TO THEIR KNEES. WE SHOULD CEASE OUR APPEALS TO JAPAN TO SUE FOR PEACE. THE NEXT PLEA FOR PEACE SHOULD COME FROM AN UTTERLY DESTROYED TOKYO. WELCOME BACK HOME. WITH ASSURANCES OF ESTEEM

RICHARD B RUSSELL US SENATOR.
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more docs here:

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/bomb/large/index.php

The Decision to Drop the Bomb

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thread parent:

http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=62563&page=5

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Originally posted by zeeblebot
"President Truman to Senator Richard B. Russell, August 9, 1945

[...]

Dear Dick
What am I missing here? 😕

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Originally posted by zeeblebot
http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/bomb/large/documents/fulltext.php?fulltextid=22

"President Truman to Senator Richard B. Russell, August 9, 1945

August 9, 1945

Dear Dick:

I read your telegram of August seventh with a lot of interest.

I know that Japan is a terribly cruel and uncivilized nation in warfare but I can’ ...[text shortened]... YED TOKYO. WELCOME BACK HOME. WITH ASSURANCES OF ESTEEM

RICHARD B RUSSELL US SENATOR.
"
So Sen. Russell was a racist nut and President Truman was a liar. No news there.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
So Sen. Russell was a racist nut and President Truman was a liar. No news there.
bla, bla, bla ... bla, bla, bla ...

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Originally posted by zeeblebot
bla, bla, bla ... bla, bla, bla ...
Here's a thread with some actual information: http://www.timeforchess.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=27271&page=1

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Originally posted by stocken
What am I missing here? 😕
Why is Truman calling Russel a dick?

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i think that if the Survey had bothered to consult no1marauder first, they could have just skipped the Survey.

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/bomb/large/documents/fulltext.php?fulltextid=31

"U.S. Strategic
Bombing Survey

THE EFFECTS OF THE ATOMIC BOMBINGS

OF

HIROSHIMA AND NAGASAKI

...

The Survey’s complement provided for 300 civilians, 350 officers, and 500 enlisted men. The military segment of the organization was drawn from the Army to the extent of 60 percent, and from the Navy to the extent of 40 percent. Both the Army and Navy gave the Survey all possible assistance in furnishing men, supplies, transport, and information. The Survey operated from headquarters in Tokyo early in September, 1945, with sub-headquarters in Nagoya, Osaka, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki, and with mobile teams operating in other parts of Japan, the islands of the Pacific and the Asiatic mainland.

It was possible to reconstruct much of wartime Japanese military planning and execution engagement by engagement and campaign

by campaign, and to secure reasonably accurate statistics on Japan’s economy and war- production plant by plant, and industry by industry. In addition, studies were conducted on Japan’s overall strategic plans and the background of her entry into the war, the internal discussions and negotiations leading to her acceptance of unconditional surrender, the course of health and morale among the civilian population, the effectiveness of the Japanese civilian defense organization and the effects of the atomic bombs. Separate reports will be issued covering each phase of the study.

The Survey interrogated more than 700 Japanese military, government and industrial officials. It also recovered and translated many documents which have not only been useful to the Survey, but will also furnish data valuable for other studies. Arrangements are being made to turn over the Survey’s files to a permanent government agency where they will be available for further examination and distribution.

..."

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and if they'd bothered to consult no1marauder BEFORE August 1945, they probably wouldn't have dropped it at all.

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Originally posted by stocken
Why is Truman calling Russel a dick?
coz around that time Dick was a nickname for Richard. don't see that nickname as much these days.

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Originally posted by zeeblebot
coz around that time Dick was a nickname for Richard. don't see that nickname as much these days.
i do know of one Richard who gets called Dick often but i always feel a little strange calling him that, especially in front of kids lol

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Originally posted by no1marauder
So Sen. Russell was a racist nut and President Truman was a liar. No news there.
🙄🙄

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Originally posted by zeeblebot
and if they'd bothered to consult no1marauder BEFORE August 1945, they probably wouldn't have dropped it at all.
No he would have withdrew the troops from the Pacific and apologized to the Japanese and forgave them for Pearl Harbor.

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