30 Jul 07
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Originally posted by Squelchbelch2100-2200 = Candidate Master
Whilst Mr. Tebb is a superb player, his highest FIDE rating was 2271 I think (though he may correct me) which, on the FIDE scale is usually as follows:
2200-2300 = Candidate Master
2300 = FIDE Master
2400-2500 = International Master
2500-2600 = International Grandmaster (except in the odd case where GM norms aren't completed)
2600+ = All IGM
2200-2300 = Master
And the rest you got right. 🙂
And if you look at the present FIDE ratings list, there is one guy rated over 2600 who is only a FIDE Master.
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30 Jul 07
Originally posted by SquelchbelchI did actually manage to go over 2300 and stay there for a short while. My highest ever Elo rating was 2320. But over the last few years my rating has been steadily decreasing and I'm now only a few points about 2200.
Whilst Mr. Tebb is a superb player, his highest FIDE rating was 2271 I think (though he may correct me) which, on the FIDE scale is usually as follows:
2200-2300 = Candidate Master
2300 = FIDE Master
2400-2500 = International Master
2500-2600 = International Grandmaster (except in the odd case where GM norms aren't completed)
2600+ = All IGM
Of course, during that time I've also become a lot older, put on weight, and lost my good looks. So my declining chess ability is the least of my worries 😉
30 Jul 07
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Originally posted by Kalhornovwait a minute.
2100-2200 = Candidate Master
2200-2300 = Master
And the rest you got right. 🙂
And if you look at the present FIDE ratings list, there is one guy rated over 2600 who is only a FIDE Master.
In the USCF 2200+ is a master.
In FIDE ratings, Master=2300+
I think.
30 Jul 07
Originally posted by SquelchbelchI don't think you guys really get the picture here. If you want to reach 2400 or something you'll have to beat good guys every time and keep on doing so for at least 150 - 250 games. Weyerstrass has never lost a game here and he's still lower than Akizy, who lost quite a few. To reach the expected rating for a GM one still has to win all the matches. And I think the really high rated guys here spend hours analysing over every move, while the IGM in question probably plays my speed 🙂.
An IGM rated 2115 isn't just having a bad week - they'd be extremely upset by their performance I would think.
Are you sure you understand the massive difference between 2100 & 2500?
If someone rated 2115 played a standard IGM (rated 2500+) 100 times you might expect a few drawn games, but the IGM would probably win at least 70% of them. That's h ...[text shortened]... er.
There are 2 people at the club I'm about to join who have OTB ratings of around 2100.
My otb rating varies from 1750 to 1850 depending on my shape. Here I perform on average at least 200 rating worse because I don't take the games as seriously. One needs fun in life 😉!
30 Jul 07
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Originally posted by Sam The ShamI think USCF rating is FIDE - 100 (give or take).
wait a minute.
In the USCF 2200+ is a master.
In FIDE ratings, Master=2300+
I think.
So USCF 2200 is FIDE 2100.
USCF 2200 rating in USA gets you the USCF Master title, whereas according to FIDE you are only Candidate Master.
EDIT: To get FIDE's Master title you need to be USCF 2300 (ELO 2200).
To get FIDE's FIDE Master title you'd need USCF 2400 (ELO 2300).
Still confused? 😀
30 Jul 07
Originally posted by KalhornovStill confused? Yes. I was under the impression that USCF and FIDE ratings were distinct and seperate, with no correlation. To get a FIDE rating, you have to play in a FIDE event. USCF ain't got nuthin' to do with it, and vice-versa.
I think USCF rating is FIDE - 100 (give or take).
So USCF 2200 is FIDE 2100.
USCF 2200 rating in USA gets you the USCF Master title, whereas according to FIDE you are only Candidate Master.
EDIT: To get FIDE's Master title you need to be USCF 2300 (ELO 2200).
To get FIDE's FIDE Master title you'd need USCF 2400 (ELO 2300).
Still confused? 😀
30 Jul 07
Originally posted by Squelchbelchhe has played 361 games and lost only 8. I think that's good enough for an IM.
Surely the rating should be higher for an OTB GM with longer time controls & book/db references though?
2115 is 400 points below what you'd expect - that's a huge difference.
I suppose he could be blitzing his games or trying unusual ideas or something.
the reason his rating is low for an OTB GM is probably that he plays against players in the 1400-1800 range a lot. in otb, GMs don't do that. probably if he'd stick to 1900+ his rating would be much higher.
30 Jul 07
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Originally posted by Sam The ShamYou are correct - I think the other poster was just trying to say that FIDE ratings run about 100 points lower than USCF ratings, so a 2400 USCF player could expect about a 2300 FIDE rating, if both were accurate. Of course, I also know players rated under 2300 USCF who are FIDE Masters (FM), so this is hardly a universal truth.
Still confused? Yes. I was under the impression that USCF and FIDE ratings were distinct and seperate, with no correlation. To get a FIDE rating, you have to play in a FIDE event. USCF ain't got nuthin' to do with it, and vice-versa.
The FM title requires a 2300 FIDE rating, that much is accurate. 🙂 FIDE doesn't have a seperate "master" title at 2200 (though I believe you get the Candidate Master "title" at 2200).
30 Jul 07
Originally posted by OrangeKingThank you, I knew I was right, I was just being polite. The other poster has a high enough rating to have known better.
You are correct - I think the other poster was just trying to say that FIDE ratings run about 100 points lower than USCF ratings, so a 2400 USCF player could expect about a 2300 FIDE rating, if both were accurate. Of course, I also know players rated under 2300 USCF who are FIDE Masters (FM), so this is hardly a universal truth.
The FM title requires a ...[text shortened]... ate "master" title at 2200 (though I believe you get the Candidate Master "title" at 2200).
31 Jul 07
Originally posted by Dance Master MCEventually there will be 3000 ratings on RHP.
Is it possible to do what Golden King did(without cheating of course), get a 3000+ rating?
Over time, ratings always go up.
The concept is called ratings inflation and it is more pronounced inside a small group.
There was some guy in prison in the 70's who played against nothing but other inmates and had the highest rating in the world, even though he was playing mostly patzers. He kept winning and inflating the rating of everyone around him.
31 Jul 07
Originally posted by Red NightClaude Bloodgood is who you're refering to. He was rated #2 in America at the peak of his rating manipulation. USCF finally removed him from the rated player list, quietly.
Eventually there will be 3000 ratings on RHP.
Over time, ratings always go up.
The concept is called ratings inflation and it is more pronounced inside a small group.
There was some guy in prison in the 70's who played against nothing but other inmates and had the highest rating in the world, even though he was playing mostly patzers. He kept winning and inflating the rating of everyone around him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Bloodgood
31 Jul 07
Originally posted by Sam The ShamThanks Sam. I forgot his name. He played the Grob alot.
Claude Bloodgood is who you're refering to. He was rated #2 in America at the peak of his rating manipulation. USCF finally removed him from the rated player list, quietly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Bloodgood
31 Jul 07
There is another factor that leads to rating inflation on RHP.
In a real tournament, a player doesn't just walk away and resign 40, 50, even 200 games all at once.
That happens all of the time here.
Every time someone like XanthosNZ walks away from a slew of games, the remaining players see their ratings artificially increased.
They continue to play games amongst themselves, but from a higher base. Remember you never lose ratings points when you win.