22 May 08
Originally posted by cheshirecatstevensYes, an amateur (me) says that should probably be a White win... but I haen't played through the game, just thought about the ideas involved. If White swops off his bishop for Black's passed pawn while manouvering his king over to Black's king pawns, he should be able to queen... don't quote me on that. Strong players are welcome to disagree! 🙂 Just what I think.
this is not a draw?
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22 May 08
Originally posted by cheshirecatstevensIt's a draw. (Do you see the squers under those bishops?)
this is not a draw?
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22 May 08
Originally posted by ThomasterThat's not really the point though. The opposite coloured bishops don't affect the line curseknight mentions. I think there might be something in it.
It's a draw. (Do you see the squers under those bishops?)
E.g. 45. Kd5 d3, 46. Bb3 (not Bxd3 - the black K is too close to the white pawns then) d2, 47. Ke6...
I think it was a straightforward draw until black tried to get creative and force a win.
22 May 08
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Originally posted by cheshirecatstevensFrom the position given, I think white should win.
this is not a draw?
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I've only glanced at it though, but it seems like white has any possibilities that may exist.
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22 May 08
Originally posted by RagnorakI kinda had the "feeling" there was something in there. But I thought that a sac of bishop for the advanced pawn would work but felt I (white) would lose the foot race for promotion.
From the position given, I think white should win.
I've only glanced at it thought, but it seems like white has any possibilities that may exist.
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22 May 08
Originally posted by cheshirecatstevensIf it's going to work you've got to make sure you sac on d1 and not d3, otherwise as you say white loses the race. I think 🙂
I kinda had the "feeling" there was something in there. But I thought that a sac of bishop for the advanced pawn would work but felt I (white) would lose the foot race for promotion.
22 May 08
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Originally posted by Ragnorakthat's what I thought as well, although I'm not sure if white is fast enough, as black can sac the bishop for white f-pawn, and getting to the h-pawn will take a lot more time, while black is presumably freeing his pawns on the other side after probably forcing white to sac bishop for the black center pawn?
From the position given, I think white should win.
I've only glanced at it thought, but it seems like white has any possibilities that may exist.
D
no, wait, can't black just march to b5? if white tries to defend it, he has to sac the bishop for black d-pawn, and after that white can't defend both flanks, not to mention the zugzwang without the bishop?
edit: ah, right, Bd3 can keep both b5 safe and stop d3...
22 May 08
Originally posted by ThomasterFirst of all, it's spelt squares, not squers. And secondly, not all opposite-coloured bishop endgames are drawn, as one of my books frequently remind me. You could at least try to explain why my line doesn't work. ðŸ˜
It's a draw. (Do you see the squers under those bishops?)
22 May 08
Originally posted by mtthwI agree, Black shouldn't have tried for the win but I always try new lines because at my stage it doesn't matter and I learn into the bargain.
That's not really the point though. The opposite coloured bishops don't affect the line curseknight mentions. I think there might be something in it.
E.g. 45. Kd5 d3, 46. Bb3 (not Bxd3 - the black K is too close to the white pawns then) d2, 47. Ke6...
I think it was a straightforward draw until black tried to get creative and force a win.
22 May 08
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Originally posted by curseknightok those square-squere-thing was stupid, but this is a draw
First of all, it's spelt squares, not squers. And secondly, not all opposite-coloured bishop endgames are drawn, as one of my books frequently remind me. You could at least try to explain why my line doesn't work. ðŸ˜
(as you can see, I'm not English)
22 May 08
Originally posted by curseknightThe black bishop gets down on the 8th rank to block the one pawn that could make it while covering the black pawn on h. I had some thoughts about a line, but a computer showed the error in my thinking and how black keeps the game a draw.
Yes, an amateur (me) says that should probably be a White win... but I haen't played through the game, just thought about the ideas involved. If White swops off his bishop for Black's passed pawn while manouvering his king over to Black's king pawns, he should be able to queen... don't quote me on that. Strong players are welcome to disagree! 🙂 Just what I think.
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22 May 08
Originally posted by ThomasterThe spelling doesn't matter (btw, your English is pretty good), the point is that the position, if they played on, is almost certainly a win for one side.
ok those square-squere-thing was stupid, but this is a draw
(as you can see, I'm not English)
22 May 08
Originally posted by PhlabibitIf Bf8 or Bg6 protecting the h-pawn, the King can swing in to f7, for example. I don't think Black can protect both pawns, or stop the one that is then passed from queening- if the B is swopped off for the new Q, White is at liberty to take the other pawn and promote again. Am I right here or just going mad?
The black bishop gets down on the 8th rank to block the one pawn that could make it while covering the black pawn on h. I had some thoughts about a line, but a computer showed the error in my thinking and how black keeps the game a draw.
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