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16 Jul 04
17 Jul 04
Originally posted by lloydkThere's a not so subtle distinction: unless I've misread my news clippings we were at war with Nazi Germany in 1942 and not at war with Yugoslavia in 1992. And the standard for human freedom shouldn't depend on whether you're an "international celebrity" or not; the Fish was merely trying to play chess. the people who decided to make it an international incident were the temporary occupants of power in the US government and self appointed guardians of what America should be like yourself. I still believe that America should be about freedom not toeing the present political popular party line.
Here is his insane website.
http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/
He's an American citizen. As an international celebrity, he flouted our laws and was willingly used as a propaganda tool by a hostile foreign power acting as an accomplice to genocide. (That's another thing he has in common with Alekhine - what is it with chess players?)
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Screw the law!! Free the Fish!!!
17 Jul 04
Originally posted by no1marauderFischer was not merely "trying to play chess." He could have done that on ICC. He made a cool $3 million from his game in Yugoslavia.
And the standard for human freedom shouldn't depend on whether you're an "international celebrity" or not; the Fish was merely trying to play chess. the people who decided to make it an international incident were the temporary occupants of power in the US government and self appointed guardians of what America should be like yourself.
No one forced Fischer to play in Yugoslavia. He could have offered to play Spassky in another country, one not subject to an embargo from the US and the UN, one that wasn't ruled by an ethnic cleansing war criminal dictator. Whether out of greed, out of naivete, or out of spite, he chose not to do so, and now he has to live with the consequences of his choice.
17 Jul 04
Mr Fischer is accused by the US of breaking international sanctions by travelling to Yugoslavia in 1992 to play against a Russian arch-rival.
This is why the US says they will put him in prison. Think for a few minutes, if it were any (well most) of us here who did the exact same thing and didn't flaunt a bad US passport in Japan do you really think we would end up in prison? Fischer pissed on the wrong $hitpile and was "warned" back in the ninties. He ignored the warning and continued to flaunt his anti-everything US stuff and now he is going to pay. The breaking of sanctions is just a convienient excuse.
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17 Jul 04
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Originally posted by jgvaccaroI don't know what you're job is, but I doubt you do it for free. So what if the greatest American chess player since Morphy got $3 million for playing a match; Brad Pitt gets $15 million a movie!
Fischer was not merely "trying to play chess." He could have done that on ICC. He made a cool $3 million from his game in Yugoslavia.
No one forced Fischer to play in Yugoslavia. He could have offered to play Spassky in another co ...[text shortened]... do so, and now he has to live with the consequences of his choice.
We all "live with the consequences" of our choices, but Fish left the country so where does the government get off trying to pull a Inspector Javert (lit students help with the spelling) and try to extradite for shit that was done 13 years ago? Fish made a decision that every free person (i.e. in a perfect world all of us) should be allowed to make; I go where I please, do what I want and if people don't want me back, fine. My philosophy is not that the world is a place where the most important thing is to do as you're told; what next, death sentences for parking tickets 'cuz that's the law?
Screw the law! Free the Fish!
18 Jul 04
Originally posted by paultopiaThis is what Bobby said about the tumbling of the twin towers.
Now, admittedly, Fisher's a royal #@#% -- eg. antisemitism.
"This is all wonderful news, I applaud the act. The US and Israel have been slaughtering the Palestinians, just slaughtering them, for years. Robbing them and slaughtering them. Nobody gave a shit. Now it's coming back to the US. Fuck the US. I want to see the US wiped out. Death to the US."
Seems perfectly rational to me, as you would expect form someone of his intellect. Its the Israelis and US who are "royal #@#%s". They never use reasoned argument - they just accuse anyone who criticises their murdering land and oil grabs as antisemitic or terrorists - then they murder them or bugger them into submission in palaces like Abu Ghraib.
18 Jul 04
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Originally posted by John GOh, I agree, the US and Israel are also royal [expletive deleted]'s. Of course, so are most countries on this planet. That doesn't excuse, on a moral level, applauding the death of thousands of people.
then they murder them or bugger them into submission in palaces like Abu Ghraib.
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19 Jul 04
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Originally posted by paultopiaDepends who they voted for. Oh wait, no it doesn't, the election is all rigged anyway.
Oh, I agree, the US and Israel are also royal [expletive deleted]'s. Of course, so are most countries on this planet. That doesn't excuse, on a moral level, applauding the death of thousands of people.
21 Jul 04
In another thread in the Debates forum, I asked the question whether the Executive Order applying sanctions against Yugoslavia, dated June 6, 1992, was promulgated before or after the Fischer-Spassky match was announced. I cannot find the answer to that question on the internet. However, I did find that Yasser Seirawan wrote a book entitled No Regrets regarding the Fischer-Spassky 1992 match; however, I have not been able to find it locally. Does anybody out there have this book? If so, could you let me know when the match (which started September 1, 1992) was actually announced? Thank you in advance.
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21 Jul 04
Originally posted by no1marauderI've got the book. It says that the match contract was signed on July 11 1992, and I presume the match was announced shortly after (probably the same day). Fischer was in negotiations during June and July with various organisers who wished to hold the match, but Seirawan is vague about the dates.
In another thread in the Debates forum, I asked the question whether the Executive Order applying sanctions against Yugoslavia, dated June 6, 1992, was promulgated before or after the Fischer-Spassky match was announced. I cannot find the answer to that question on the internet. However, I did find that Yasser Seirawan wrote a book entitled No Re ...[text shortened]... w when the match (which started September 1, 1992) was actually announced? Thank you in advance.