18 Jan 12
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Originally posted by no1marauderThanks, I have never played this opening because of the way my first
You don't really deserve this, but just in case some other inexperienced players are following this conversation:
The Scotch is hardly an "inferior" opening. I play it all the time both OTB and here with excellent results. A major advantage OTB is psychological; when Black plays 2 ....... Nc6 he's usually expecting the Lopez with tons of th Black plays for exchanges, he faces an inferior endgame for the reasons given.
opening book represented it. I haven't looked at the formation on that
opening since my USCF days so I was wrong in thinking it was an
inferior opening. It just doesn't obtain the initiative of the the first
move into the middle game. My opening book gives 11 moves of a
couple of variations of the Scotch Game and it says the following:
With his third and fourth moves, White violates the principles of rapid
development. At move 4, Black is able to develope with gain of time
and is thus assured of equality. This is the way I had remembered
the idea. After the 11 moves the author sums up each of the opening
positions as equal. The classic equalizing move. The game is
perfectly even. Even game. White's position is more aggressive, but
Black has ample resources.
Apparently, if I ever hope to be an expert, I need to learn this opening.
18 Jan 12
Originally posted by kbear1kI send an e-mail to Kings and Pawns and asked him why he moved the
Study the opening in question with a stronger player. Chess is a game of "give and take" as well as "balance".
If you really want to know what was going on in the game (and why) ask the two players to annotate their game on this forum. BTW - I'm not sure White really violated any basic chess principles. Also, the line was "book" - one of many alternative m ...[text shortened]... .also what mood you are in at the time.
BTW - the "rules" of chess are made by humans.
knight 3 times in the opening, but he never responded to explain it to
me.
18 Jan 12
Originally posted by RJHindsMy worry if I was in K&P's position would not be that I'd moved a piece 3 times, more that while Nxc6 does create doubled pawns it also gives the second rank to the a8 Rook. However, K&P's decision is more than backed up by the quasi-pin of 14. Bf4, which in the end nullified that problem. You have to be very good at chess to be able to have foreseen this, and that is why I would have avoided the 3 knight moves.
I send an e-mail to Kings and Pawns and asked him why he moved the
knight 3 times in the opening, but he never responded to explain it to
me.
It would have had nothing to do with the Knight itself, if there is a positional advantage to be gained then I will keep moving the same piece till the cows come home.
19 Jan 12
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Originally posted by greenpawn34I don't play Petroff's Defense unless someone plays it against me;
Hi RJ.
What opening book is it you have, or should I say use to have.
Throw it out with the garbage.
A very nice wrap up in this game.
Even if you did move your Knight 3 times in the first 4 moves. 🙂
RJhinds - Haufpunk RHP 2011
[pgn]
[Event "October 2011 One Zero Split 1800+"]
[Site "http://www.redhotpawn.com"]
[Date "2011.11.12"]
[R .Qh6 mate. Good play.} 21...Kh7 22.Re7+ {and Black resigned.} [/pgn]
but I am comfortable playing against it because I learned to play
it from my early days. I understand that moving the knight three
times in this opening gets rid of Black's king pawn and Black will
have to move his knight three times in the opening also to keep the
material balanced. In the Scotch Game it is not so clear as to how
White gets compenstaion.
My plan was 15.c5, bxc5 16.Bc4+, Kh8 17.Nh4, cxd4? 18.Qh5
threatening mate by 18....,Ng6++
My opponent failed to follow through with the plan, so I had to come
up with a slighly different idea. Luckily, most of his pieces were in the
other corner of the board.
I had not considered Qb3, as you did.
19 Jan 12
I think my 19.Qb3 has the caveman cruncho look about it.
A blitz move. I'm seeing the position for the first time.
Your Qc1 masks the real idea. You are not interested in the long open a1-h8
diagonal, let him worry about that. Good play.
Any reasonable move by White appears to win material or mate Black
but slipping the Queen to c1 is sneaky cool. I like it.