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Originally posted by Derfel Cadarn
You know what? Following a game in a database move for move isn't playing chess.
If both parties have access to same game then the chance of that occuring is very slim. Unless the game was a draw and both players are looking for a draw.

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Originally posted by Wulebgr
I've been following the games--yours and Capa's--but will hold my tongue until you are finished. One of you, Oscar and RK, will find a novelty and we'll see how it goes from there.
I haven't really gone over the Capa game much and I will but right now, I don't like some of his move later on in the game from this position.

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Originally posted by Derfel Cadarn
You know what? Following a game in a database move for move isn't playing chess.
Using a database correctly is a lot more involved than just following a game move for move.

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Originally posted by XanthosNZ
Using a database correctly is a lot more involved than just following a game move for move.
How do you use your database?

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Originally posted by Wulebgr
How do you use your database?
If there's a lot of games then I put a minimum rating on there so I only take the top games. It's hard for the games where the rating system was no used yet for db purposes, before 1997's or something all those 0 ratings you see.

Look throught the games and pick out ideas. If the opponent deviated in my game, then I look at the db games and figure out from then what to play against him. You get some great ideas sometimes.

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Originally posted by RahimK
If there's a lot of games then I put a minimum rating on there so I only take the top games. It's hard for the games where the rating system was no used yet for db purposes, before 1997's or something all those 0 ratings you see.

Look throught the games and pick out ideas. If the opponent deviated in my game, then I look at the db games and figure out from then what to play against him. You get some great ideas sometimes.
I created an opening book from games 2001-2006 where at least one player is over 2200. The percentages offer information that I can use, but I do not follow them blindly. When there is a significant percentage difference from move to move, I research the difference by looking at key games. I use this book and other similar resources in a small percentage of correspondence games: ~20%.

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Originally posted by Wulebgr
I created an opening book from games 2001-2006 where at least one player is over 2200. The percentages offer information that I can use, but I do not follow them blindly. When there is a significant percentage difference from move to move, I research the difference by looking at key games. I use this book and other similar resources in a small percentage of correspondence games: ~20%.
I just have fritz and it's db is very limited. So I use some online sites and put in a minum rating search games, say I get 200.

Then I play a move and hit search again. Say Nf3, 125 hits.

Try a different move Nh3, 50 hits, Nc3 25 hits.

So I got with Nf3 since it has the most hits. I don't really look at the results unless if the number of games is very small.

I figure if in X number of games, this move was played the most, it must be good.

I know new games are good, but sometimes even old games are great. Like say of old gm's or maybe some top GM nowdays played that same position before 2000. I still want that game included in my search.

O and before I do all this, I pick a move that I would play, and then check in db and if it's different I figure out why I was wrong and then play the db move. I used to write it in the notebook, 10.Nf3 I picked, so if I go over the game after I can see where I picked a different move. I don't do this now much, just in my head I guess. The notebook is very limited in space.

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Originally posted by Wulebgr
How do you use your database?
I've got a pruned database I've culled from TWIC and a few other sources and then edited myself to remove any misleading games. This contains only good players playing other good players at classical timecontrols.
I use this database for most of my opening analysis.

I also have an extended database with many more games but I can't trust them to be good quality games. I use this occasionally.

As well as my databases I have some opening surveys from various sources that I use as well.

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The Champ is here! Na, Na, Na, Na. I love Double Double E.

BUMP for DF and others! That's the thread I was looking for. Stern answers huh?

DF and others: I posted the game below.

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Capa Game:

[Event "Buenos Aires casual"]
[Site "Buenos Aires"]
[Date "1914.08.??"]
[Round "0"]
[White "Capablanca,Jose Raul"]
[Black "Molina Carranza,Lis"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Eco "C87"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 0-0 7.Bxc6 dxc6 8.Nxe5 Bd6
9.Nf3 Bf4 10.d3 Nh5 11.Bxf4 Nxf4 12.Nbd2 Qf6 13.Nc4 b5 14.Nce5 c5 15.c3 Qh6 16.g3 Nh3+
17.Kg2 f6 18.Nc6 Bg4 19.Ne7+ Kh8 20.Nf5 Qh5 21.Re3 Rae8 22.N5h4 g5 23.Nf5 Re5 24.d4 Nf4+
25.gxf4 Rxf5 26.exf5 gxf4 27.Rd3 Rg8 28.Kf1 c4 29.Ne1 Bxd1 30.Rdxd1 Qxh2 31.Ke2 Re8+ 32.Kf3 Qh1+
0-1


My game:

http://www.redhotpawn.com/gameanalysis/boardhistory.php?gameid=1883576


I could have fast fowarded several moves ahead and started using an engine but it's cheating. Perfect example of what we are talking about DF.

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Originally posted by XanthosNZ
I've got a pruned database
I have a hedge in my front yard, so what?

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