Hi Woody
So you have a 100% match up with one game from Houdini.
(I've not seen this game. I've heard about it, I've heard an awful lot about it.)
But you are only 99% sure he is cheating.
You need to explain the 1%.
What 1% are are you not sure of?
Consider what the judge says to the jury before they retire for a verdcit.
"If there is any doubt then you must find the defendant not guilty."
Even if it's 1%. 🙂
Originally posted by greenpawn34The 1% is a combination of maybe him being the 1 out of a quadrillion who can match Houdini for 115 consecutive moves and like some said if you play a program enough, you will play like it (!!), and maybe he's evolved into a super genius, or maybe 'one day he just got good' 😉 Hey, if someone can beat 18 million to one odds and match 6 numbers in the lottery, then it would not be impossible to match 115 consecutive Houdini moves, right?
Hi Woody
So you have a 100% match up with one game from Houdini.
(I've not seen this game. I've heard about it, I've heard an awful lot about it.)
But you are only 99% sure he is cheating.
You need to explain the 1%.
What 1% are are you not sure of?
Consider what the judge says to the jury before they retire for a verdcit.
"If there is any doubt then you must find the defendant not guilty."
Even if it's 1%. 🙂
99% sure was just a rough estimate. I was too lazy to type 99.999999999999999% 😀
Does anyone remember Lance Armstrong? Remember people defended him because he found a way to cheat undetected? Like Armstrong, Ivanov will be caught eventually.
Originally posted by greenpawn34In civil trials in the USA, there is only a need for more than 50% of the evidence pointing to guilt to find the defendant guilty.
Hi Woody
So you have a 100% match up with one game from Houdini.
(I've not seen this game. I've heard about it, I've heard an awful lot about it.)
But you are only 99% sure he is cheating.
You need to explain the 1%.
What 1% are are you not sure of?
Consider what the judge says to the jury before they retire for a verdcit.
"If there is any doubt then you must find the defendant not guilty."
Even if it's 1%. 🙂
The instructor
Whoa! Don't go quoting something else you don't know about. A civil trial is not a trial regarding guilt or innocence, it is a lawsuit concerning liability. A subject of a lawsuit can be found liable for damages if the judge or jury finds a preponderance of evidence. Liability is a long way from guilt.
Guilt can only be found (in US courts) in a criminal trial.
Originally posted by byedidiaI believe the difference is in the type of punishment. If a person is innocent, he is innocent regardless of which court the trial is being held. It is true that the legal term "quilt" is only used in criminal cases and "at fault" or "liable" is used in civil cases. However, one that is found "at fault" or "liable" in a civil case is certainly not considered innocent of wrong doing.
Whoa! Don't go quoting something else you don't know about. A civil trial is not a trial regarding guilt or innocence, it is a lawsuit concerning liability. A subject of a lawsuit can be found liable for damages if the judge or jury finds a preponderance of evidence. Liability is a long way from guilt.
Guilt can only be found (in US courts) in a criminal trial.
Without being so technical in the language, the chess cheater could be brought to trial in a civil court, since putting him in jail is probably not what we would be looking for in a way of punishment anyway. Even if cheating in chess could be proved beyond a reasonable doubt, I doubt if the case would ever be heard in a criminal court anyway.
The Instructor
Hi Woody
You will have to post this 115 move game. Until then I do not believe it happened.
If he is at he will get caught.
I'm swinging daily back and forth, (that is the trouble with having an open mind)
today it's 75% he is at it due to the mixture of openings he is playing spot on.
As Valeri says, he is an expert in all openings.
But there again if you come in from the angle he has a photo-graphic memory...
....back to 50/50 again.
And now a legal arguemnt has started.
This lad has certainly brightened things up.
Hi RJ
"I doubt if the case would ever be heard in a criminal court anyway."
The Bulgarians banned him from tournaments and he threatened legal
action so they unbanned him.
Good, if he was banned we would never know for sure and keep arguing
about it.
We have to keep him playing to find out one way or the other.
Originally posted by greenpawn34greenpawn, just suppose you had a magic wand and could know for sure if he is cheating. If you HAD to bet, would you bet he is, or is not cheating?
Hi Woody
You will have to post this 115 move game. Until then I do not believe it happened.
If he is at he will get caught.
I'm swinging daily back and forth, (that is the trouble with having an open mind)
today it's 75% he is at it due to the mixture of openings he is playing spot on.
As Valeri says, he is an expert in all openings.
But the ...[text shortened]... and keep arguing
about it.
We have to keep him playing to find out one way or the other.
I'm not asking if you think there's proof, just your best guess based on what we know.
Originally posted by woodypusher
.... "He's just a chess programmer and this is best seen in the game with Jovanic when all 115 moves were the ones selected by the computer, and this is impossible for a human" - said the Croatian grandmaster.
All 115 moves matched Houdini 2. That's compelling enough evidence for me.
Houdini 1.5a x64
4xAMD Phenom 2.30 gHz
4GB RAM
[Event "19th Open A"]
[Site "Zadar"]
[Date "2012.12.17"]
[Round "2.7"]
[White "Ognjen Jovanic"]
[Black "Borislav Ivanov"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D45"]
[WhiteElo "2583"]
[BlackElo "2227"]
[PlyCount "235"]
[Analysis "Houdini 1.5a x64 Hash:256 Time:30s Max Depth:20ply"]
{ Book Moves: }
1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e3 e6 5. Nf3 Nbd7 6. Be2 dxc4 7. a4
{ Analyzed: }
7... b6 { Qc7 16 20 : a5 19 19 : Bd6 21 19 : b6 21 19 }
8. Bxc4 { 0-0 22 19 : Nd2 17 19 : Bxc4 15 19 : h3 7 19 }
8... Bb7 { Bb4 14 19 : c5 28 19 : Bb7 32 19 : Be7 37 19 }
9. e4 { e4 29 19 : 0-0 20 19 : a5 18 19 : Qb3 15 19 }
9... Be7 { c5 39 20 : Be7 36 19 : Bb4 37 19 : h6 37 19 }
10. 0-0 { Qe2 37 19 : 0-0 36 19 : Bf4 32 18 : e5 22 18 }
10... 0-0 { 0-0 38 18 : a6 38 18 : h6 44 18 : a5 44 18 }
11. e5 { Qe2 36 19 : Re1 31 18 : Bf4 30 18 : e5 26 18 }
11... Nd5 { Nd5 21 20 : Ne8 52 19 : Ng4 120 19 : Nh5 155 19 }
12. Nxd5 { Qe2 32 18 : Nxd5 21 18 : Re1 15 18 : Qd3 12 18 }
12... cxd5 { cxd5 16 19 : exd5 35 19 : h6 445 19 : Bh4 461 18 }
13. Bd3 { Bb5 21 20 : Bd3 16 20 : Be2 9 20 : Ba2 0 20 }
13... Nb8 { Nb8 14 20 : a5 22 20 : Re8 32 19 : Rc8 34 19 }
14. Bd2 { Qb3 16 20 : Bd2 16 20 : h3 14 20 : Qc2 13 20 }
14... Nc6 { Nc6 14 20 : a5 22 20 : a6 29 20 : Ba6 33 19 }
15. Qb1 { Qb3 18 20 : Qc2 16 20 : Rc1 13 20 : h3 12 20 }
15... h6 { h6 9 20 : h5 22 20 : g6 29 19 : Kh8 56 19 }
16. b4 { b4 5 20 : Qd1 1 20 : Rc1 0 20 : Bb5 0 20 }
16... Rb8 { a5 6 20 : Rb8 13 20 : Re8 16 20 : a6 24 19 }
17. Qb3 { b5 13 20 : Be2 12 20 : Rc1 12 20 : Qb3 12 20 }
17... a5 { a5 11 20 : Re8 28 20 : Qd7 32 20 : h5 36 20 }
18. b5 { b5 10 20 : bxa5 -9 20 : Bb5 -24 20 : Rfc1 -44 20 }
18... Nb4 { Nb4 12 20 : Na7 123 20 : Nxd4 318 20 : Qd7 356 20 }
19. Be2 { Be2 9 20 : Bb1 0 20 : Rfc1 -9 20 : h3 -10 20 }
19... Qd7 { Re8 11 20 : Qd7 13 20 : Rc8 13 20 : Ra8 18 20 }
20. Rfc1 { Ne1 23 20 : g3 14 20 : Rfc1 14 20 : Rfd1 7 20 }
20... Rbc8 { Rfc8 15 20 : Rbc8 15 20 : Rfd8 18 20 : Rfe8 18 20 }
21. h4 { Ne1 15 20 : g3 15 20 : Qb2 15 20 : Rab1 15 20 }
21... Rxc1+ { Rxc1+ 1 20 : Rfd8 5 20 : Rfe8 5 20 : Rc7 9 20 }
22. Rxc1 { Rxc1 10 20 : Bxc1 -3 20 : Kh2 -1313 20 : Qd1 -1345 19 }
22... Rc8 { Rc8 8 20 : Rd8 11 20 : Re8 11 20 : Rb8 12 20 }
23. Rc3 { g3 10 20 : Kf1 5 20 : Rxc8+ 3 20 : Rc3 0 20 }
23... Rxc3 { Rxc3 0 20 : Rc7 11 20 : Qd8 11 20 : Bf8 11 20 }
24. Qxc3 { Qxc3 10 20 : Bxc3 3 20 : Qd1 -708 20 : Qb1 -715 20 }
24... Qd8 { Kh7 10 20 : Kf8 10 20 : Bf8 10 20 : Kh8 10 20 }
25. g3 { g3 10 20 : Qc1 10 20 : h5 7 20 : Qb3 3 20 }
25... Na2 { Na2 10 20 : Qc8 15 20 : Kf8 15 20 : Bf8 15 20 }
26. Qb3 { Qb2 10 20 : Qb3 10 20 : Qa1 10 20 : Qc2 10 20 }
26... Nb4 { Nb4 10 20 : Nc3 376 20 : Bb4 376 20 : Qc8 376 20 }
27. Qc3 { Qb2 13 20 : Qb1 13 20 : Ne1 10 20 : Qc3 10 20 }
27... Na2 { Na2 14 20 : Qd7 14 20 : Bc8 14 20 : Kh7 14 20 }
28. Qb2 { Qb2 14 20 : Qc2 14 20 : Qa1 14 20 : Qb3 14 20 }
28... Nb4 { Nb4 14 20 : Nc3 376 20 : Nc1 376 20 : Bf8 376 20 }
29. Kg2 { Ne1 14 20 : Kf1 14 20 : Kh2 14 20 : Kg2 14 20 }
29... Qc7 { Bc8 14 20 : Bf8 14 20 : Kh8 14 20 : Ba8 14 20 }
30. Qc1 { Ne1 14 20 : Kf1 8 20 : Bc3 4 20 : Kg1 2 20 }
30... Qxc1 { Qxc1 -7 20 : Qc2 5 20 : Qb8 14 20 : Qd7 14 20 }
31. Bxc1 { Bxc1 -4 18 : g4 -1615 18 : Bf1 -1527 17 : Be3 -1531 17 }
31... Kf8 { Na2 -6 20 : Kf8 0 20 : Bc8 1 20 : Bf8 2 20 }
32. Bd2 { Bb2 0 20 : Ba3 0 20 : Nd2 -3 20 : Kf1 -6 20 }
32... Nc2 { Na2 -3 20 : Nc2 3 20 : Bc8 13 20 : Ke8 14 20 }
33. Bd3 { Kf1 3 20 : Bd1 3 20 : Bd3 3 20 : Bc3 0 20 }
33... Na3 { Na3 3 20 : Nb4 14 20 : Na1 22 20 : Nxd4 256 20 }
34. Bc1 { Kf1 5 20 : Bc3 4 20 : Bc1 0 20 : Be1 0 20 }
34... Nc4 { Nc4 0 20 : Bb4 0 20 : Ke8 1 20 : Bc8 5 20 }
35. Kf1 { Kf1 0 20 : Bc2 0 20 : h5 0 20 : Kg1 0 20 }
35... Bb4 { Bb4 0 20 : Na3 10 20 : Ke8 11 20 : Ba8 11 20 }
36. Ke2 { Ke2 0 20 : Bc2 0 20 : h5 0 20 : Bb1 0 20 }
36... Bc3 { Bc3 0 20 : h5 11 20 : Be7 12 20 : Ke8 12 20 }
37. Bc2 { Bc2 0 20 : Bb1 0 20 : Bh7 0 20 : h5 0 20 }
37... h5 { Ke7 0 20 : Ba1 0 20 : Ke8 0 20 : Ba8 5 20 }
38. Kd3 { Kd3 18 20 : Bd1 12 20 : Bb3 7 20 : Bg5 7 20 }
38... Ba1 { Ba1 18 20 : Bb4 18 20 : Bb2 123 20 : Nxe5+ 385 20 }
39. Bb3 { Nh2 12 20 : Ng5 12 20 : Bd1 12 20 : Bb3 8 20 }
39... Nb2+ { Nb2+ 8 20 : f6 51 20 : Ke8 77 20 : Ke7 82 20 }
40. Kc2 { Kc2 8 20 : Ke3 8 20 : Kd2 8 20 : Ke2 8 20 }
40... Nc4 { Nc4 8 20 : Bc8 400 20 : Ke7 400 20 : Kg8 400 20 }
41. Be3 { Kb1 15 20 : Bg5 14 20 : Be3 13 20 : Kd3 8 20 }
41... Na3+ { Na3+ 13 20 : g6 23 20 : Ke8 27 20 : Ke7 27 20 }
42. Kd3 { Kd3 13 20 : Kc1 13 20 : Kd2 8 20 : Kd1 7 20 }
42... Nc4 { Nc4 13 20 : Bb2 25 20 : f6 52 20 : Ke8 77 20 }
43. Bg5 { Ng5 15 20 : Bf4 12 20 : Bg5 12 20 : Kc2 12 20 }
43... Nb2+ { Nb2+ 12 20 : Bb2 29 20 : g6 45 20 : Ke8 56 20 }
44. Ke2 { Kd2 12 20 : Kc2 12 20 : Ke3 12 20 : Ke2 12 20 }
44... Nc4 { Nc4 12 20 : Ke8 20 20 : Ba8 99 20 : g6 128 20 }
45. Kd3 { Kd3 12 20 : Bc1 12 20 : Bd8 12 20 : Bc2 7 20 }
45... Nb2+ { Nb2+ 12 20 : Bb2 29 20 : Ke8 46 20 : g6 50 20 }
46. Kc2 { Kc2 12 20 : Kd2 11 20 : Ke3 11 20 : Ke2 11 20 }
46... Nc4 { Nc4 12 20 : Ke8 230 20 : f6 244 20 : Bc8 444 20 }
47. Be3 { Kd3 12 20 : Be3 12 20 : Kb1 12 20 : Kc1 12 20 }
47... Na3+ { Na3+ 12 20 : g6 22 20 : Ke7 23 20 : Ke8 23 20 }
48. Kd3 { Kd3 12 20 : Kd2 12 20 : Kc1 12 20 : Kd1 8 20 }
48... Nc4 { Nc4 12 20 : Bb2 25 20 : Ke8 40 20 : f6 40 20 }
49. Ne1 { Kc2 16 20 : Bf4 16 20 : Ng5 12 20 : Bg5 12 20 }
49... Nxe3 { Nxe3 7 20 : Bb2 26 20 : f6 39 20 : Ke7 86 20 }
50. fxe3 { fxe3 10 20 : Kxe3 7 20 : Nc2 -339 20 : Bc2 -372 20 }
50... Bb2 { Bb2 10 20 : f6 37 20 : Bc8 40 20 : g6 48 20 }
51. Bd1 { Bd1 9 20 : Ng2 9 20 : Bc2 8 20 : Ke2 0 20 }
51... g6 { g6 8 20 : f6 40 20 : Ba3 61 20 : Bc8 65 20 }
52. Nc2 { Bf3 8 20 : Kc2 7 20 : Be2 6 20 : Ng2 6 20 }
52... Ke7 { f6 0 20 : f5 0 20 : Ke7 4 20 : Kg7 4 20 }
53. Bf3 { Ne1 3 20 : Bf3 0 20 : Kd2 0 20 : Ke2 0 20 }
53... f6 { f5 0 20 : f6 0 20 : Ba8 8 20 : Bc1 8 20 }
54. exf6+ { exf6+ 0 20 : Ke2 -75 20 : g4 -85 20 : Bd1 -87 20 }
54... Kxf6 { Kxf6 0 20 : Kf7 11 20 : Ke8 63 20 : Kf8 120 20 }
55. Bg2 { e4 0 20 : g4 0 20 : Ke2 0 20 : Bg2 0 20 }
55... e5 { e5 0 20 : Kf5 0 20 : Kf7 0 20 : Ke7 0 20 }
56. Bh3 { Bh3 0 20 : Ke2 0 20 : Kd2 0 20 : e4 -11 20 }
56... e4+ { Kf7 0 20 : e4+ 0 20 : Ke7 0 20 : Kg7 0 20 }
57. Ke2 { Ke2 0 20 : Kd2 0 20 }
57... Ke7 { Kg7 0 20 : Ke7 0 20 : Kf7 0 20 : Ba8 3 20 }
58. Ne1 { Ne1 0 20 : Kd2 0 20 : Kd1 0 20 : Kf2 0 20 }
58... Ba3 { Ba3 0 20 : Kf7 0 20 : Kf6 0 20 : Kd8 4 20 }
59. Ng2 { Ng2 0 20 : Kf2 0 20 : Kf1 0 20 : Nc2 0 20 }
59... Bd6 { Bd6 0 20 : Kf7 0 20 : Kf6 0 20 : Kd8 12 20 }
60. Nf4 { Nf4 0 20 : Kf2 0 20 : Kf1 -21 20 : Kd2 -30 20 }
60... Kf6 { Kf6 0 20 : Kf7 0 20 : Kd8 15 20 : Bxf4 22 20 }
61. Kf2 { Kf2 0 20 : Bd7 0 20 : Ke1 0 20 : Kd1 0 20 }
61... Bb8 { Bb8 0 20 : Ba8 6 20 : Bc7 6 20 : Be7 90 20 }
62. Ne2 { Bd7 0 20 : Ke2 0 20 : Kg2 0 20 : Kg1 0 20 }
62... Ke7 { Kf7 0 20 : Ke7 0 20 : Kg7 5 20 : Bd6 26 20 }
63. Kg2 { Nf4 0 20 : Ng1 0 20 : Kg2 0 20 : Nc3 0 20 }
63... Kf6 { Kf7 0 20 : Bd6 0 20 : Kd8 5 20 : Kf8 5 20 }
64. Nf4 { g4 24 20 : Kf2 0 20 : Nf4 0 20 : Bd7 0 20 }
64... Bd6 { Bd6 0 20 : Kf7 5 20 : Ba8 5 20 : Bc7 5 20 }
65. Ne2 { Kf2 0 20 : Kg1 0 20 : Bd7 0 20 : Ne6 0 20 }
65... Ke7 { Ke7 0 20 : Kf7 0 20 : Bb4 24 20 : Bf8 24 20 }
66. Kf2 { Kf2 0 20 : Nf4 0 20 : Kh2 0 20 : Kg1 0 20 }
66... Kf6 { Kf7 0 20 : Bb8 0 20 : Kd8 0 20 : Kf6 34 20 }
67. g4 { g4 25 20 : Bd7 0 20 : Nf4 0 20 : Kg2 0 20 }
67... hxg4 { hxg4 34 20 : Kf7 95 20 : Bc7 95 20 : Kg7 95 20 }
68. Bxg4 { Bxg4 34 20 : Bf1 -81 20 : Bg2 -83 20 : Ng1 -771 20 }
68... Ke7 { Bb8 34 20 : Ba8 34 20 : g5 42 20 : Bf8 73 20 }
69. Nf4 { Nf4 88 20 : Bh3 75 20 : Kg2 34 20 : Kg1 11 20 }
69... Kf6 { Kf7 87 20 : Kf6 137 20 : Kf8 162 20 : Ke8 162 20 }
70. Bd7 { Bd7 137 20 : Ne2 34 20 : Nh3 4 20 : Bh3 0 20 }
70... Ke7 { Bb8 136 20 : Bc7 151 20 : Bxf4 153 20 : Kg7 156 20 }
71. Bg4 { Bc6 156 20 : Bg4 78 20 : Bh3 34 20 : h5 -67 20 }
71... Kf6 { Kf7 96 20 : Kf6 151 20 : Kf8 162 20 : Ke8 162 20 }
72. Bd7 { Bd7 151 20 : Ne2 34 20 : Nh3 4 20 : Kg3 0 20 }
72... Ke7 { Bc7 149 20 : Bb8 149 20 : Kg7 156 20 : Kf7 156 20 }
73. Bh3 { Bc6 156 20 : Bg4 78 20 : Bh3 34 20 : h5 -73 20 }
73... Kf6 { Kf7 104 20 : Kf6 145 20 : Kf8 162 20 : Ke8 162 20 }
74. Ke2 { Bd7 152 20 : Ne2 34 20 : Ke2 0 20 : Kg3 0 20 }
74... g5 { g5 0 20 : Bb8 73 20 : Bc7 73 20 : Kf7 85 20 }
75. hxg5+ { hxg5+ 0 20 : Ng2 0 20 : Bc8 -246 20 : Ne6 -252 20 }
75... Kxg5 { Kxg5 0 20 : Kg7 381 20 : Ke7 381 20 : Kf7 381 20 }
76. Ne6+ { Ne6+ 0 20 : Ng2 0 20 : Be6 -98 20 : Bd7 -113 20 }
76... Kf6 { Kf6 0 20 : Kg6 0 20 : Kh4 32 20 : Kh5 80 20 }
77. Nf4 { Nf4 0 20 : Nd8 0 20 : Kf2 -7 20 : Kf1 -7 20 }
77... Bc7 { Ke7 0 20 : Ba8 0 20 : Kg5 0 20 : Bb8 0 20 }
78. Kf2 { Bc8 0 20 : Kf2 0 20 : Ne6 0 20 : Bg4 0 20 }
78... Bb8 { Bd6 0 20 : Bb8 0 20 : Ke7 0 20 : Ba8 0 20 }
79. Bd7 { Bd7 0 20 : Ke2 0 20 : Kg3 0 20 : Kg2 0 20 }
79... Ke7 { Ke7 0 20 : Bxf4 6 20 : Ba8 53 20 : Bc7 102 20 }
80. Bg4 { Bf5 0 20 : Bg4 0 20 : Bh3 0 20 : Bc6 -235 20 }
80... Bc7 { Bd6 0 20 : Kf6 0 20 : Ba8 0 20 : Bc7 0 20 }
81. Ne2 { Ke2 0 20 : Kg3 0 20 : Bh3 0 20 : Ne6 0 20 }
81... Bd8 { Kf7 0 20 : Kf6 0 20 : Bb8 0 20 : Ba8 0 20 }
82. Kg3 { Ke1 0 20 : Nf4 0 20 : Bh3 0 20 : Kg3 0 20 }
82... Kf7 { Bc7+ 0 20 : Kf6 0 20 : Kf7 0 20 : Kd6 0 20 }
83. Nf4 { Nf4 0 20 : Bd7 0 20 : Bh5+ 0 20 : Kg2 0 20 }
83... Bc7 { Bc7 0 20 : Kf6 0 20 : Bg5 0 20 : Ke8 13 20 }
84. Bf5 { Be6+ 0 20 : Bd7 0 20 : Bf5 0 20 : Bh3 0 20 }
84... Kf6 { Bd6 0 20 : Ke7 0 20 : Kf6 0 20 : Bb8 0 20 }
85. Kg4 { Bh3 0 20 : Kg4 0 20 : Bg4 0 20 : Bd7 0 20 }
85... Bd6 { Bd6 0 20 : Bb8 2 20 : Bd8 8 20 : Ke7 9 20 }
86. Ne2 { Nh5+ 0 20 : Bd7 0 20 : Ng6 0 20 : Ne6 0 20 }
86... Ba3 { Bb4 0 20 : Ba3 0 20 : Bf8 0 20 : Bh2 0 20 }
87. Nf4 { Ng3 0 20 : Kf4 0 20 : Nf4 0 20 : Bd7 0 20 }
87... Bd6 { Bc1 0 20 : Bd6 0 20 : Bb4 0 20 : Bf8 0 20 }
88. Nh5+ { Bd7 0 20 : Nh5+ 0 20 : Ng6 0 20 : Ne2 0 20 }
88... Ke7 { Kf7 0 20 : Ke7 2 20 }
89. Kg5 { Kg5 2 20 : Nf4 0 20 : Ng7 0 20 : Ng3 0 20 }
89... Bh2 { Bh2 2 20 : Ba3 2 20 : Kf7 2 20 : Bb4 2 20 }
90. Nf6 { Nf6 2 20 : Ng7 0 20 : Bh3 0 20 : Bg4 0 20 }
90... Bd6 { Bg3 2 20 : Bd6 2 20 : Bc7 3 20 : Bb8 3 20 }
91. Ng8+ { Ng8+ 2 20 : Bd7 2 20 : Bg4 2 20 : Bh3 2 20 }
91... Kf7 { Kf7 2 20 : Kd8 110 20 : Kf8 110 20 : Ke8 110 20 }
92. Nh6+ { Nh6+ 2 20 : Bg4 -232 20 : Bd7 -235 20 : Bg6+ -251 20 }
92... Ke7 { Ke7 2 20 : Kg7 7 20 : Ke8 22 20 : Kf8 25 20 }
93. Kg6 { Kg6 2 20 : Bh7 2 20 : Bg4 2 20 : Bh3 2 20 }
93... Bb4 { Ba3 2 20 : Bb4 2 20 : Bh2 3 20 : Kf8 25 20 }
94. Ng8+ { Ng8+ 2 20 : Kg5 2 20 : Bg4 2 20 : Bh3 2 20 }
94... Kd8 { Kf8 0 20 : Kd8 2 20 : Kd6 18 20 : Ke8 19 20 }
95. Kg5 { Kg5 2 20 : Nf6 2 20 : Nh6 2 20 : Kf6 0 20 }
95... Be1 { Be1 2 20 : Bd2 2 20 : Kc7 6 20 : Ba3 7 20 }
96. Be6 { Kf4 2 20 : Nh6 2 20 : Bg4 2 20 : Be6 2 20 }
96... Bf2 { Bf2 2 20 : Bd2 2 20 : Kc7 8 20 : Ba8 110 20 }
97. Kf4 { Kf4 2 20 : Nf6 -20 20 : Kg4 -20 20 : Kf5 -63 20 }
97... Kc7 { Kc7 2 20 : Bh4 4 20 : Be1 138 20 : Bg1 139 20 }
98. Nf6 { Nh6 2 20 : Bf5 2 20 : Bg4 2 20 : Ke5 2 20 }
98... Kd6 { Bh4 2 20 : Kd6 2 20 : Ba8 139 20 : Kb8 139 20 }
99. Bf5 { Bf5 2 20 : Bh3 2 20 : Bg4 0 20 : Bg8 0 20 }
99... Bh4 { Ke7 2 20 : Be1 2 20 : Bh4 2 20 : Ba8 2 20 }
100. Nd7 { Ng8 2 20 : Nd7 2 20 : Ng4 2 20 : Ne8+ 0 20 }
100... Bd8 { Kc7 2 20 : Bd8 2 20 : Be1 75 20 : Bf2 79 20 }
101. Ne5 { Ne5 2 20 : Nf8 2 20 : Kg4 0 20 : Bg4 0 20 }
101... Bf6 { Bh4 2 20 : Bf6 2 20 : Ke7 2 20 : Kc7 4 20 }
102. Nf7+ { Ng4 2 20 : Bg4 2 20 : Ng6 2 20 : Nf7+ 2 20 }
102... Ke7 { Ke7 2 20 : Kc7 5 20 }
103. Nh6 { Ne5 2 20 : Nh6 2 20 : Ng5 2 20 : Bg6 0 20 }
103... Bh4 { Bh4 2 20 : Kd6 8 20 : Kd8 8 20 : Ke8 20 20 }
104. Bh3 { Bh3 2 20 : Bh7 0 20 : Ng4 0 20 : Ng8+ 0 20 }
104... Kf6 { Bf2 2 20 : Kf6 2 20 : Be1 2 20 : Kd8 8 20 }
105. Ng4+ { Ng4+ 2 20 : Kg4 0 20 : Ng8+ 0 20 : Nf5 -295 20 }
105... Ke6 { Ke6 2 20 : Ke7 2 20 : Kg6 25 20 : Kf7 25 20 }
106. Ne5+ { Ne5+ 2 20 : Nh6+ 0 20 : Nh2+ 0 20 : Bg2 0 20 }
106... Kd6 { Kd6 2 20 : Kf6 79 20 : Ke7 692 20 }
107. Bd7 { Bd7 2 20 : Bg4 2 20 : Bf5 0 20 : Ng6 0 20 }
107... Be7 { Bf2 2 20 : Bd8 2 20 : Bf6 2 20 : Be1 2 20 }
108. Bg4 { Bg4 2 20 : Bh3 2 20 : Bf5 0 20 : Kf5 0 20 }
108... Bf8 { Bf8 2 20 : Bh4 2 20 : Kc7 6 20 : Bf6 6 20 }
109. Kf5 { Kg5 2 20 : Kg3 2 20 : Kf5 0 20 : Nf7+ -1 20 }
109... Bc8+ { Bc8+ 0 20 : Kc7 2 20 : Be7 17 20 : Bg7 22 20 }
110. Kg6 { Kf6 0 20 : Kg5 0 20 : Kg6 0 20 : Kf4 0 20 }
110... Bxg4 { Be6 0 20 : Bxg4 0 20 : Bb7 21 20 : Kc7 377 20 }
111. Nxg4 { Nxg4 0 20 : Kf6 -940 20 : Nf7+ -1083 20 : Kf7 -1121 20 }
111... Ke6 { Ke6 0 20 : Be7 3 20 : Ke7 3 20 : Kd7 322 20 }
112. Nf2 { Ne5 0 20 : Kg5 0 20 : Nf6 0 20 : Nh6 0 20 }
112... Bb4 { Bb4 0 20 : Ba3 0 20 : Be7 0 20 : Bd6 0 20 }
113. Kg5 { Nh3 0 20 : Ng4 0 20 : Kg5 0 20 : Nd1 0 20 }
113... Be7+ { Be7+ 0 20 : Kd6 0 20 : Bd2 0 20 : Ba3 0 20 }
114. Kg4 { Kg6 0 20 : Kf4 0 20 : Kg4 0 20 : Kh5 0 20 }
114... Kf6 { Bf8 0 20 : Bd6 0 20 : Bd8 0 20 : Bb4 0 20 }
115. Nh3 { Nh3 0 20 : Kf4 0 20 : Nd1 0 20 : Nh1 0 20 }
115... Bd6 { Ke6 0 20 : Bd8 252 20 : Ba3 314 20 : Bf8 314 20 }
116. Nf4 { Nf4 332 20 : Ng5 0 20 : Ng1 0 20 : Nf2 0 20 }
116... Bxf4 { Bxf4 460 20 : Kf7 527 20 : Ke7 538 20 : Ba3 538 20 }
117. Kxf4 { Kxf4 454 17 : exf4 -15 17 : Kh3 -#21 17 : Kh4 -#20 17 }
117... Ke6 { Ke6 541 20 : Ke7 862 20 : Kf7 862 20 : Kg6 1126 20 }
118. Kg5 { Kg5 1251 20 : Kg4 0 20 : Kg3 0 20 }
1-0
{ Game Summary }
{ White: Ognjen Jovanic }
{ Top 1 Match: 58/111 ( 52.3% )
{ Top 2 Match: 72/111 ( 64.9% )
{ Top 3 Match: 88/111 ( 79.3% )
{ Top 4 Match: 99/111 ( 89.2% )
{ Black: Borislav Ivanov }
{ Top 1 Match: 66/111 ( 59.5% )
{ Top 2 Match: 91/111 ( 82.0% )
{ Top 3 Match: 96/111 ( 86.5% )
{ Top 4 Match: 99/111 ( 89.2% )
Originally posted by ZygalskiNice! Very thorough. I admit I never looked at the game. I presumed Ivanov had won, not lost. How does Houdini 1.5 match up with Houdini 2?
79. Bd7 { [b]Bd7 0 20 : Ke2 0 20 : Kg3 0 20 : Kg2 0 20 }
79... Ke7 { Ke7 0 20 : Bxf4 6 20 : Ba8 53 20 : Bc7 102 20 }
80. Bg4 { Bf5 0 20 : Bg4 0 20 : Bh3 0 20 : Bc6 -235 20 }
80... Bc7 { Bd6 0 20 : Kf6 0 20 : Ba8 0 20 : Bc7 0 20 }
81. Ne2 { Ke2 0 20 : Kg3 0 20 : Bh3 0 20 : Ne6 0 20 }
81... Bd8 { Kf7 0 20 : Kf6 0 20 : Bb8 0 2 ...[text shortened]... Top 2 Match: 91/111 ( 82.0% )
{ Top 3 Match: 96/111 ( 86.5% )
{ Top 4 Match: 99/111 ( 89.2% )[/b]
Originally posted by DeepThoughtI am not a Lawyer so I don"t know all the legal jargon. I am just stating my belief on the subject, wrong or right. In my book, there is no need for 100% certainty to find a person guilty of doing wrong. O.J. Simpson was found quilty by public opinion, even though he was found not quilty in a court of law. The not quilty verdict does not mean he was found innocent either. It only means the evidence against him was not enough to convince the jury of his quilt beyond a reasonable doubt. He was later found liable for the wrongful death of two persons and it was not by way of negligence or accident either. It was by way of murder.
Two words: Vicarious liability.
The Instructor
