08 Feb 08
Computers are slowly but surely solving the game of chess. At some point we will know a forced draw for many deep opening lines.
Whether this kills chess or not, I don't know. I expect computers will make people switch to chess960 or something.
At some point chess has to be made more difficult.
08 Feb 08
Originally posted by Prometheus4096But do you think that if computers find a forced draw humans will be able to remember the lines?
Computers are slowly but surely solving the game of chess. At some point we will know a forced draw for many deep opening lines.
Whether this kills chess or not, I don't know. I expect computers will make people switch to chess960 or something.
At some point chess has to be made more difficult.
08 Feb 08
Originally posted by vipiuAt the top levels, they're already showing the ability to remember lines 25 moves deep. the question becomes if people can remember (or solve on their own) the variations.
But do you think that if computers find a forced draw humans will be able to remember the lines?
08 Feb 08
Originally posted by exigentskyNo -- in effect, it would be the same as a foot race between men and a horse. Would anyone bet against the horse? Probably not. The same is true for computers vs. GMs in a chess tournament. I'm guessing your fears come from viewing chess as a metaphor for artificial intelligence or AI. Interestingly, only Western nations seem to have a fear of intelligent robots. Japan seems to have embraced the concept and is hurtling down the path to a Terminator-type future where there will probably be both good robots and bad ones -- just remember, though, it took a man to create them.
...Would it bother you if engines completely dominated chess? Do you think it hurts chess? How realistic do you think my fears are?
13 Feb 08
Originally posted by erice1HAHAHA
computers always play the same way.. after a few games you can win against them. They're really worthless in a chess tournament since you have to assume the top players have already won against them as a 'warm up'..
The only time I 'fear' a chess program on-line is when its a low-level player and I move 10-15 times before I realize I'm playing a machine.. then I have to work hard..
13 Feb 08
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Originally posted by wormwoodI heard that our brains have more...I don't remember the word, I will post it when I remember...than computers but humans just don't use their full potential. Humans use something like only 10%, or maybe lower, of our brain potential.
the vast and complex knowledge reached by computer analysis is not really transferrable to human brain. we simply can't retain the information of millions of calculations. it takes years and years of hard work to master even the basic general principles, which makes it completely ludicrous to think computers would drastically change the way we can understan itional knowledge will dominate even more over long & complex maze of fritzed variations.