Originally posted by ThudanBlunderBut that will include transpositions to other openings,like the Göring gambit for instance.
For the position after 3. c3 BigBase 2004 has +500 -410 =257, 53.8%.
Anyway,I wouldn't rely on statistics,it's better to give it a try and make up your own mind.
i've played against it and my defense was good enough to beat him. he tried it twice both games were crazy one slip by me and i would have been killed. he missed one move and i forked both rooks and the queen and my other bishop xrayed my knight before i took the other rook. and the other time he almost mated me but i got out of it.
Originally posted by kmac27Sounds like you both had a lot of fun 🙂
i've played against it and my defense was good enough to beat him. he tried it twice both games were crazy one slip by me and i would have been killed. he missed one move and i forked both rooks and the queen and my other bishop xrayed my knight before i took the other rook. and the other time he almost mated me but i got out of it.
Mind linking the games?I'm always intrested in Danish Gambit games.
I do love playing the Danish Gambit. I've played it quite frequently at RHP. Not all games develop to:
1. e4 e5
2. d4 exd4
3. c3 dxc3
4. Bc4 cxb2
5. Bxb2
but here are those that have.
Game 420891
Game 422819 (was winning easily but made a whopper on move 21 - my only DG blemish :'( )
Game 483228 (not interesting - opponent timed-out at move 6)
Game 642352
Game 869182
Game 874387
Game 940235
Game 978764
Game 1062295
Game 1074265
Game 1078567
Game 1156141
Game 1225532
Game 1225533
Game 1278840
Game 1575075
Game 1579448
Game 1665800
Game 1687507
Game 1767648
Game 1783871
Game 1851477
Game 1851482
Nice, short, violent games.
Sadly, no-one has ever played the Danish Gambit against me, neither on-line nor OTB. It's probably not such a rarity, just that I invariably play c5 to e4, so I don't get to see it.
Is it sound? It's sound enough. Having accepted both pawns, Black has a lot of catching up to do. With best play Black might only have a slight edge. Anthing less than best play and Black is heading for trouble.
The downside for White is that the stronger the opponent, the lower the probability of ever getting to 5. Bxb2. Until that point, Black can decline the offered pawns and quickly nullify White's positional lead.
Originally posted by kmac27There was a thematic tournament on the Danish Gambit (Schlecter Defence)...
hey you should play a game against someone around 2000 with that opening that would be a nice game to watch.
Tournament 336
The field wasn't very strong, but it might be interesting to go through the games.
Originally posted by GatecrasherHey!Thanks for those games of yours.Nice addition to my DG database 🙂
There was a thematic tournament on the Danish Gambit (Schlecter Defence)...
Tournament 336
The field wasn't very strong, but it might be interesting to go through the games.
The tournament isn't so great though.Seems many timed out early or just resigned after losing the queen probably not realising they can regain it the next move 😕
Have you ever played it against an engine?There's supposed to be sound sacrifices engines can't see making this highly tactical opening playable even against the silicon beasts.Of course I'm not nearly good enough to pull off such a stunt but maybe you are....
Originally posted by GorgarI've never played it against an engine (at least not knowingly!). Closest I've got is post-game analysis. Evaluation-wise, engines tend to overcompensate Black for the material and under-compensate White for the development. Also, I'm not sure that engines would favour d5 for Black, prefering to keep the material, so I imagine it would be possible, as White, to cause some damage. Tactically, though, engines are unlikely to fall into the usual traps. Still, it could be interesting to investigate.
Have you ever played it against an engine?There's supposed to be sound sacrifices engines can't see making this highly tactical opening playable even against the silicon beasts.Of course I'm not nearly good enough to pull off such a stunt but maybe you are....
You could set up the position at 5 Bxb2, and let engine play engine from that point. It could give an indication of what an "error-free" IM/GM evolution of this opening would yield. Although you can find this position in databases, the number of top class DG-Accepted games is relatively small.
Originally posted by GatecrasherYeah but engine vs engine won't work.The whole point is that there are sacs which engines don't spot.Or rather,sacs engines discard as unsound while humans do see the benefits.Of course,it would take a very strong human player.
I've never played it against an engine (at least not knowingly!). Closest I've got is post-game analysis. Evaluation-wise, engines tend to overcompensate Black for the material and under-compensate White for the development. Also, I'm not sure that engines would favour d5 for Black, prefering to keep the material, so I imagine it would be possible, as W ...[text shortened]... this position in databases, the number of top class DG-Accepted games is relatively small.
I don't like engine vs engine at any rate.In my experience it often gives very weird games.