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26 Aug 07
27 Aug 07
Originally posted by SquelchbelchYup, makes sense to me. Thanks for the analysis.
The point being is that black will have to defend for quite some time.
The strength of the defence is that usually black can take the sting out of the game & stop all tactical Morra motifs from white. Black can also control the center with the pesky Nf6 Nc6 & Bg4.
The correct [b]7.Bg5! then the exchange on f6 keeps the tactics available at least to some extent.
That is all I want to say about this line thank you very much! 😛[/b]
27 Aug 07
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Originally posted by SquelchbelchI dont see the problems for white after 7.0-0 Nf6 8.Qe2 Bg4 9.Rd1 e6 10.Bb3 with compensation. For example 10...Ne5?! 11.h3! Bxf3 (not 11...Nxf3+? 12.gxf3 Bxh3?? 13.Kh2 trapping bishop) 12.gxf3 with f4 to follow and white have strong initiative.
[b]7.0-0?
Is the mistake, after 7...Nf6, 8.Bg5 is too late because of 8...e6, 9.Qe2...h6! & the momentum is gone with black having easily survived.
8.Qe2 would allow black central control with 8...Bg4!
& 8.e5 leads to 8...dxe5, 9.Qxd8+...Nxd8, 10.Nxe5...Be6!
8.Qb3...e6 - it's all bad news for whi ...[text shortened]...
white to move
[fen]r1bqkb1r/1p2pppp/p1np1n2/8/2B1P3/2N2N2/PP3PPP/R1BQ1RK1 w kq - 0 8[/fen][/b]
27 Aug 07
I think all this talk if theory is irrelevant. The Morra Gambit is more of a practical opening, meaning it taps into the psychological aspect of the game where black may not be ready to give up the initiative for a long period and make mistakes. Playing the Gambit against a computer won't be effective, as computers don't have emotions and play the same move in the same position on any given day.
Therefore, it's only fair that we propose a theme tournament for the Gambit and see if the reults favor white or black.
27 Aug 07
Originally posted by MoneyMaker7Tournament 2058
I think all this talk if theory is irrelevant. The Morra Gambit is more of a practical opening, meaning it taps into the psychological aspect of the game where black may not be ready to give up the initiative for a long period and make mistakes. Playing the Gambit against a computer won't be effective, as computers don't have emotions and play the same m ...[text shortened]... that we propose a theme tournament for the Gambit and see if the reults favor white or black.
27 Aug 07
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Originally posted by MoneyMaker7Then dont you know why Bronstein had so good results against engines? He did play gambits too. Yes it was in the 90ties when engines were not so strong, but don`t forget that Bronstein was old (about 70) and not so strong as 30-40 years ago.
Playing the Gambit against a computer won't be effective, as computers don't have emotions and play the same move in the same position on any given day.
One good example. Even Rybka have problems to see some of Bronsteins moves.
[Event "New York"]
[Site "New York"]
[Date "1992.??.??"]
[EventDate "1992.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "David Bronstein"]
[Black "Deep Thought (Computer)"]
[ECO "B20"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "49"]
1. e4 c5 2. b4 cxb4 3. a3 d5 4. exd5 Qxd5 5. Nf3 Bg4 6. axb4
Qe4+ 7. Be2 Bxf3 8. gxf3 Qxb4 9. Na3 Qa5 10. Bb2 Nc6 11. c4
Qg5 12. Qb3 O-O-O 13. d4 Qg2 14. O-O-O Qxf2 15. d5 Na5 16. Qb5
Qe3+ 17. Kb1 Qxe2 18. Qxa5 a6 19. Rhe1 Qf2 20. c5 Nf6 21. Be5
Nxd5 22. Nc4 Qxe1 23. Rxe1 f6 24. Nb6+ Nxb6 25. Qxb6 1-0
Other good example:
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "1996.04.18"]
[EventDate "1996.04.18"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[White "David Bronstein"]
[Black "Deep Blue (Computer)"]
[ECO "B20"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "67"]
1. e4 c5 2. b4 cxb4 3. a3 d5 4. exd5 Qxd5 5. Nf3 e5 6. axb4
Bxb4 7. Ra3 Bxa3 8. Bxa3 e4 9. Nc3 Qa5 10. Nb5 Nc6 11. Nd6+
Kd7 12. Nc4 Qd5 13. Ne3 Qh5 14. g4 Qh6 15. Ng1 Kc7 16. Bg2 Be6
17. Ne2 Nf6 18. Nc3 Qg6 19. Nb5+ Kd7 20. f3 Qg5 21. Nd6 Qh4+
22. Kf1 exf3 23. Qxf3 Nxg4 24. Nxb7 Nxe3+ 25. Qxe3 Rae8
26. Bxc6+ Kxc6 27. Qc5+ Kxb7 28. Qb5+ Kc8 29. Qc6+ Kd8
30. Qd6+ Bd7 31. Qb8+ Bc8 32. Qd6+ Bd7 33. Qb8+ Bc8 34. Qd6+
1/2-1/2
27 Aug 07
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Originally posted by MoneyMaker7Well I'm afraid that if someone quotes a famous defence against the gambit from a book that is based around a mistake by white on move 7, some theory must be given to explain better lines.
I think all this talk if theory is irrelevant...
...Playing the Gambit against a computer won't be effective, as computers don't have emotions and play the same move in the same position on any given day...
Otherwise you get z00t-like generalisations like "this gambit is bad because my grandma told me so" etc etc with absolutely no proof.
Playing against computers is irrelevant on RHP as it is a banning offence, so I really don't understand this point at all!
27 Aug 07
Originally posted by Squelchbelchdon't u mean "this gambit is bad because dragon fire plays it?"
Well I'm afraid that if someone quotes a famous defence against the gambit from a book that is based around a mistake by white on move 7, some theory must be given to explain better lines.
Otherwise you get z00t-like generalisations like "this gambit is bad because my grandma told me so" etc etc with absolutely no proof.
Playing against compu ...[text shortened]... rrelevant on RHP as it is a banning offence, so I really don't understand this point at all!
27 Aug 07
Originally posted by ih8sensNo! The Kings Gambit is bad because DF plays it.
don't u mean "this gambit is bad because dragon fire plays it?"
Game 3872011.
27 Aug 07
Originally posted by Dragon FireThe kings gambit will become bad if I get another shot at you 😛.
No! The Kings Gambit is bad because DF plays it.
Game 3872011.
27 Aug 07
Originally posted by Dragon FireNo. Grob is bad because Korch plays it!
No! The Kings Gambit is bad because DF plays it.
Game 3872011.
Game 3552530
27 Aug 07
Originally posted by KorchOh, I just love that. You beat z00t with a Mickey Mouse opening.
No. Grob is bad because Korch plays it!
Game 3552530
Any comments from z00t on this will be most welcome.
27 Aug 07
Originally posted by Dragon FireHis excuse was "Korch was lucky because I was tired and was even losing to 1500s at that time on Playchess, since I have no vacation flag at RHP I soldiered on." 😀
Oh, I just love that. You beat z00t with a Mickey Mouse opening.
Any comments from z00t on this will be most welcome.
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