16 Oct 05
Originally posted by Brett LIts [ gid] [ /gid] and not [ fen] and [ /fen] as you tried. (without spaces)
I give up. Here are the positions as fens:
1st position
8/8/kP6/P7/2K1B1bp/8/8/8 w - - 1 60
2nd position
8/8/1Pk5/P7/1K5p/5b2/8/5B2 w - - 7 63
cheers,
Brett
Also, you can only post 1 per post.
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16 Oct 05
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Originally posted by Brett LI think that 59.b6+ was too early and from then on draw looks forced to me. The pawns ware well placed next to each other and hard to be attacked by black. What about 59.Kc5 instead, and if 59....Bc8 (looks forced to me) 60.Kd6 and then via e5, f4, g3 go for the lone pawn? Still not piece of cake, but I think good winning chances, no?
In a recent game with cludi Game 1324556 the following endgame position ocurred:
[fen]8/8/kP6/P7/2K1B1bp/8/8/8 w - - 1 60[/fen]
cludi proceeded 60.b7? and the board was quickly drawn (60.b7? Be2+ 61.Kc5 Ka7 62.Kc6 Ba6 ... ==).
My 1st reaction was that cludi blew a win, but after doing some analysis I'm not so sure. A better start for me look ...[text shortened]... 3[/fen]
which is starting to look rather draw-ish.
Can anyone do better?
cheers,
Brett
edit: typo
16 Oct 05
Originally posted by Mephisto2After Kc5 Bc8, If the white king goes after the rook pawn, black plays ..Bd7 forcing b6.
I think that 59.b6+ was too early and from then on draw looks forced to me. The pawns ware well placed next to each other and hard to be attacked by black. What about 59.Kc5 instead, and if 59....Bc8 (looks forced to me) 60.Kd6 and then via e5, f4, g3 go for the lone pawn? Still not piece of cake, but I think good winning chances, no?
edit: typo
It still looks like a draw to me.
16 Oct 05
Originally posted by UmalakasSorry for the multiple posts - The fen boards and part of the message text were disappearing when I posted. The game was a genuine clan game which I assumed I'd lose. The game looked such an obvious win I thought cludi had blown it big-time ... but when I came back to analyse the game I couldn't find a win. Seems no-one else can either.
As I said, the guy is confusing us, his repeating posts looking like an idiot I'm sure was part of the plan, I know it! And he's confusing me, nasty, nasty, nasty Brett! 😛 LOL!
Gotta love this game, chess that is.
cheers,
Brett
16 Oct 05
Originally posted by Mephisto2Thanks Mephisto2. I was hoping you'd take a look. I'll try the lines you suggest and see if I come up with a win.
I think that 59.b6+ was too early and from then on draw looks forced to me. The pawns ware well placed next to each other and hard to be attacked by black. What about 59.Kc5 instead, and if 59....Bc8 (looks forced to me) 60.Kd6 and then via e5, f4, g3 go for the lone pawn? Still not piece of cake, but I think good winning chances, no?
cheers,
Brett
16 Oct 05
Originally posted by WulebgrYes, it's very easy if White is not careful, for Black to take over the h1-a8 diagonal, force a trade of bishops and then queen his h-pawn. This is why I don't think a win is possible for White; he has to just play to avoid losing here.
[fen]8/8/kP6/P7/2K1B1bp/8/8/8 w[/fen]
From this position I have been unable to find a win for white, but black won a couple while I tried.
16 Oct 05
Originally posted by RegicidalIf Kc5 Bc8 Kd6 Kb8 Ke5 Bd7, white plays b6 safely. Followed by Bg2, capturing the pawn. If the bishop maintains itself on the diagonal (Bc8), Kf4 h3 Kg3! zugzwang.
After Kc5 Bc8, If the white king goes after the rook pawn, black plays ..Bd7 forcing b6.
It still looks like a draw to me.
16 Oct 05
Originally posted by Mephisto2Ok, I think something along these lines gets the win:
I think that 59.b6+ was too early and from then on draw looks forced to me. The pawns ware well placed next to each other and hard to be attacked by black. What about 59.Kc5 instead, and if 59....Bc8 (looks forced to me) 60.Kd6 and then via e5, f4, g3 go for the lone pawn? Still not piece of cake, but I think good winning chances, no?
59.Kc5 Bc8 60.Kd6 Kb8 61.Ke5 Ka7 62.Kf4 Bd7 63.Bc6 Bc8 64.Kg5 h3 65.Kh4 Be6 66.Kg3 Bf5 67.b6+ Ka6 68.Bb5+ Kb7 69.Bf1
An awful lot of hard work.
cheers,
Brett
17 Oct 05
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Originally posted by UmalakasI don't trust your chess wisdom anymore. I probably don't like you anymore too.😴😴😴
As I said, the guy is confusing us, his repeating posts looking like an idiot I'm sure was part of the plan, I know it! And he's confusing me, nasty, nasty, nasty Brett! 😛 LOL!
*edit* maybe because you insult people in an outstandlingly boring way, I don't want to witness that :'(
*edit 2* PLEASE KEEP AWAY FROM *ONLY CHESS* FORUM. We all are trying to learn something here except youðŸ˜