Originally posted by tvochessHO! Good on you mate! That is the very one! Now I'm certain somewhere in one of my lifers magazines I saw a rook and bishop problem of similar value to this. Its indeed the one that reminds me most of the problem we see at the beginning of this article. I'll keep looking for it tonight. I'll find it! This one here though is very much alike the one I'm looking for. I do however remember very well that this baby stressed me much more. Thanks tvochess for getting this right. Very handy those diagrams!
[fen] 8/8/pP1P3K/k2r4/Pp6/1P6/1P2R3/8 w - - 0 1[/fen]
Is this what you meant?
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Originally posted by SwissGambitA fair try indeed Mr. Gambit. I did find the proper puzzle earlier this morning. So perhaps I should lend a hand with this one. Spoiler alert - if you happen to still be working on this then you will not want to continue on with this article. Remember to go for that sneaky stalemate my friends!
Here's my try at winning for white:
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[Event "Edited position"]
[Site "VINCENT"]
[Date "2011.10.13"]
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[Result "*"]
[FEN "8/8/pP1P3K/k2r4/Pp6/1P6/1P2R3/8 w - - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
1. Re5 Rxe5 2. d7 Rd5 3. b7 Rxd7 4. b8=Q Rh7+ {Desperado time} 5. Kg5 Rg7+ 6. Kh4 Rh7+ 7.Kg3 Rg7+ 8. Kh2 Rh7+ 9. Kg2 Rg7+ 10. ...[text shortened]... 12. Kf4 Ka5 13. Ke4 Kb6 14. Kd4 Ka5 15. Kc4 Kb6 16. Kxb4 a5+ 17. Kc4
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1 Re5! Rxe5 2 d7 ... and to this point your exactly correct. Whats missed is that black has the chance for a stalemate. 2 ...Re6+ 3 Kg5! (This is very important later) Rxb6... Now with the rook on b6 if white makes the ho hum d8/Q then its actually d8/Q= !!! So what must white do? I'm glad your wondering! Black dominates the rook with 4 d8/N!! (mutual zugzwang do note!) and thanks to the quiet 3 Kg5 the rook has NO safe square! Rb8(d6) 5 Nc6(b7) and wins.
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Originally posted by PhySiQ
A fair try indeed Mr. Gambit. I did find the proper puzzle earlier this morning. So perhaps I should lend a hand with this one. Spoiler alert - if you happen to still be working on this then you will not want to continue on with this article. Remember to go for that sneaky stalemate my friends!
1 Re5! Rxe5 2 d7 ... and to this point your exactly corr !) and thanks to the quiet 3 Kg5 the rook has NO safe square! Rb8(d6) 5 Nc6(b7) and wins.
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| 3. | Kg5 | Rxb6 |
| 4. | d8=N |
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Nice finish.
Originally posted by SwissGambitYour certainly right Mr. Gambit! That is also winning for white. You have discussed two important concepts here. I have yet another line that illustrates both. 1. Re5 Rxe5 2. d7 Rd5 3. b7 Rxd7 4. b8=Q... Black is clearly lost without playing the checking moves. Therefore Rd6+ 5. Kg5 Rg6+ 6. Kf5 Rf6+ 7. Ke4...and here white follows Rf4(Re6) Qxf4(Qe5!).
One other line for the R desperado:
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[Event "Edited position"]
[Site "VINCENT"]
[Date "2011.10.13"]
[Round "-"]
[White "-"]
[Black "-"]
[Result "*"]
[FEN "8/8/pP1P3K/k2r4/Pp6/1P6/1P2R3/8 w - - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
1. Re5 Rxe5 2. d7 Rd5 3. b7 Rxd7 4. b8=Q Rh7+ 5. Kg5 Rh5+ 6. Kg4 Rh4+ 7.Kg3 Rh3+ 8. Kg2 {and wQ will eat the Rook if it checks on h2/g3}
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OK then. Now that the former puzzle is solved and out of the way.. I would like to share another with you. This puzzle I think will capture your attention Mr. Gambit! I will list the game in Algebraic Notation with hopes that someone can help me with one of your diagrams? White to move and win!
White: Ka7, Rd6, e6
Black: Kc8, Rf6, Bb2
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Originally posted by PhySiQ
OK then. Now that the former puzzle is solved and out of the way.. I would like to share another with you. This puzzle I think will capture your attention Mr. Gambit! I will list the game in Algebraic Notation with hopes that someone can help me with one of your diagrams? White to move and win!
White: Ka7, Rd6, e6
Black: Kc8, Rf6, Bb2
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Originally posted by PhySiQNo problem.
No no... I'm sorry that is certainly my mistake Mr. Gambit... 1. e7 Bd4 should be blacks move.... I apologize I'm not sure what got into me there. Retyped your proposal by accident. Must have been off in la la land.
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OK, so now I want to try
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| 1. | e7 | Bd4 |
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| 2. | Rxd4 | Re6 |
| 3. | Rd8 | Kc7 |
| 4. | e8=R |
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Originally posted by SwissGambitFlawless! You have got it Mr. Gambit. Great job! I always have trouble looking for the stalemates in endgames.
No problem.
OK, so now I want to try
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[Event "Edited game"]
[Site ""]
[Date "2011.10.13"]
[Round "-"]
[White "-"]
[Black "-"]
[Result "*"]
[FEN "2k5/K7/3RPr2/8/8/8/1b6/8 w - - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
1. e7 Bd4+ 2. Rxd4 Re6 3. Rd8+ Kc7 4. e8=R {! Not 4.e8Q?? Ra6+ forcing stalemate}
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Originally posted by PhySiQHow can white tackle 1. e7 Rf7?
Flawless! You have got it Mr. Gambit. Great job! I always have trouble looking for the stalemates in endgames.
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- Moving the king out of the 7th rank results in Rxe7 and black is better.
- The pawn can't be moved.
- 2. Rd7 Kxd7 and 2. Re6 Ba2/Bf6 seem to remove the white pawn as well
- another rook move will lead to Rxe7