Originally posted by diskamylI don't take it as hostility, you have vevery right to have your own opinion, even if it deffers from mine. 🙂
FabianFnas, I don't want to look hostile, but I again will disagree 🙂 .
I agree with you in saying that people who can't stand slow games shouldn't accept slow game challenges, but the argument "playing within the rules concerngin thinking times, is not wrong" is not true all the time.
societies are societies not only because there are laws that mak ...[text shortened]... o be absolutely right on paper, according to rules, but also wrong and unethical as hell.
But again, who enters a 21/21 tournament when they want to have quick games? I wouldn't.
Who should prioritize my games if not myself? Within thinking times I have every right to use the time alottet to me. Outside thinking times my opponents have every right to time me out. I don't think it is unethical to use 3 days of thinking time in a 3/7 game, not at all.
I, and I only, conduct the games of mine, no one else, not even my opponents. This is my opinion. No one has to share them. But I believe that some do, anyway.
I don't usually play every game to my own defeat in a mate. When I'm sure of that my opponent will win, then I give up. It is not my hobby to drag every game to the last piece. Some do, I don't.
I have rarely problems with people dragging their feet. This is not worth making a big fuzz about. I don't think this is a common problem. People, even me, use to behave quite well.
Originally posted by diskamylI think you are missing the point, the object of chess is to checkmate your opponent not make them resign. If you think you have a winning position, prove it and checkmate your opponent.
telling non-subscribers to subscribe if they can't stand the opponent not resigning in totally lost games doesn't deserve to be considered as an argument.
I find it non-sense. look at this game for god's sake: Game 3372271
she has a lone king left on the board where I have a rook, bishop and several pawns going to promote and she won't resign u ...[text shortened]... t. I hated that player and that game. and I hate and will hate anyone who does the same.
Originally posted by diskamylAlas, harrassment of your opponent is against the rules, while using all of your available time is not.
she has a lone king left on the board where I have a rook, bishop and several pawns going to promote and she won't resign until I send messages that get "increasingly annoying". actually, not resigning in totally lost positions is more annoying than anything. it's obvious that I won't stupidly stalemate her or anything (considering the level of my play in the game).
Originally posted by diskamylSo why did you waste several moves after gaining the overwhelming material advantage, taking useless pawns whan you could have been weaving a mating net with your rook bishop and king that would have finished the game more quickly?
I find it non-sense. look at this game for god's sake: Game 3372271
she has a lone king left on the board where I have a rook, bishop and several pawns going to promote and she won't resign until I send messages that get "increasingly annoying". actually, not resigning in totally lost positions is more annoying than anything. it's obvious that I wo ...[text shortened]... ort. I hated that player and that game. and I hate and will hate anyone who does the same.
How is bullying an opponent into resigning better than doing the required brainwork to force the win clinically in the shortest number of moves and maybe trying to learn something in the process?
Aside: My reply to "Stop being annoying" is "Stop being annoyed!"
Ask my kids!
No matter how irritating it is, slow movers in lost positions are exercising their right to take as much time as the time limit allows. The current US CC champ says you should do this in ALL games. His reasoning is that it annoys and frustrates some opponents and increases the likelihood they will get impatient and blunder. Based on some of the comments here, he is right. If you are playing within the rules there is no room for complaint. I think it’s foolish to toy with an opponent once you have a won game because you are increasing the chance that’ll you, yourself, will blunder into a stalemate or something. Finish them off and be done with them. I had an opponent on this site (I think it was) tell me “Now you can mate me next move or torture me with (a move).” Why would I want to waste time on the game like that?
I have to agree with the larger point of the last poster (or rather the point he is agreeing with).
However, I would also note that I think it a bit rude and annoying for a player to keep playing a clearly lost position if they really don't have any counterplay at all to offer.
I can understand the reasoning behind it, and I can understand there are those players whose chess idealogy is to lose by mate only. I can also understand the desire to slow down play to some degree to put off the inevitable loss in the hopes of a blunder.
It doesn't make it any less annoying however.
That said, sometimes a lost position is merely a losing position, and the weaker side can make it difficult, possibly causing the stronger side to blunder, which might result in a draw, or even a rervsal on occasion. In that case, I find it perfectly acceptable, and I will continue to play a losing position to the best of my ability, probably slow it down in order to avoid further blunder myself, so long as I have some means of trying to counter the opponent's plans.
While I've sometimes grumbled about players not resigning clearly lost positions, I've never requested they resign in game. And I've never had anyone request I resign my game against them either.
I have on occasion made poorly timed draw offers, though, and had them offered to me.
But, still, why bother? Just start another game with someone else?
I don't mind playing with someone who doesn't understand he's lost eventually. If he drags his feet, I wouldn't mind. Every move I do is one move nearer to the mate anyway.
But if I only have 6 games to fiddle with, yes, is is annoying when people drags in half (or all) my games), but hey, RHP is free! The problem is solved if you pay the subscription and can play how many games you want. It's not that expensive. And you get everything else that goes with it.
The only situation I find dragging is a pain is when it's only one game left in a tournament and this game is the one that hinders progression to the next round. I've seen this once.