17 Jun 07
Originally posted by Evil Pawn 666User 110255
When it comes to the Kings Gambit, ask Korch. He plays the KG a lot and is probably the best at it at RHP. Believe me, he is your man.
17 Jun 07
Originally posted by RahimKYou can check yourself:
Has the games explorer been updated yet?
I'd like to see some top player games in that opening without searching like crazy. To bad there isn't some database thing on here.
http://www.playtheimmortalgame.com/gamesexplorer/index.php?a=1
seems only half or so of mine are on there.
17 Jun 07
Originally posted by cmsMasterI belive it was updated last year sometime in October.
You can check yourself:
http://www.playtheimmortalgame.com/gamesexplorer/index.php?a=1
seems only half or so of mine are on there.
I know not all the games are on there yet.
Maybe these top players can post the games on here. It would be much easier for them to find their own games then look through their games.
I know I have all my games organized by opening in my rhp folders.
17 Jun 07
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Gamesexplorer was due to have been updated several weeks ago but Chris User 4 said he was having some problems with it.
That's the last I heard.
17 Jun 07
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Originally posted by Evil Pawn 666I would say that at least 2 RHP players - Nothern Lad or English Tal knows that opening (from white side) better than me.
When it comes to the Kings Gambit, ask Korch. He plays the KG a lot and is probably the best at it at RHP. Believe me, he is your man.
But in my opinion Falkbeer counter gambit is not sound - at least its main lines. For example: 1.e4 e5 2.f4 d5 3.exd5 e4 4.d3 Nf6 4.dxe4 Nxe4 5.Nf3 Bc5 6. Qe2 Bf5 7.Nc3 gives white much better play. Here is one well-known game which shows black problems in this line:
[Event "Team ch URS ( 1/2 )"]
[Site "Riga"]
[Date "1968.??.??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "David Bronstein"]
[Black "Mikhail Tal"]
[ECO "C32"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "85"]
1. e4 e5 2. f4 d5 3. exd5 e4 4. d3 Nf6 5. dxe4 Nxe4 6. Nf3 Bc5
7. Qe2 Bf5 8. Nc3 Qe7 9. Be3 Nxc3 10. Bxc5 Nxe2 11. Bxe7 Nxf4
12. Ba3 Nd7 13. O-O-O Be4 14. Ng5 Bxd5 15. g3 Bxh1 16. gxf4 c5
17. Bc4 Bc6 18. Nxf7 b5 19. Nd6+ Ke7 20. Nxb5 Rhf8 21. Nd4 Bg2
22. Ne6 Rf5 23. Rg1 Be4 24. Nc7 Rd8 25. Rxg7+ Kf6 26. Rf7+ Kg6
27. Re7 Nf6 28. Ne6 Rc8 29. b3 Rh5 30. Ng5 Bd5 31. Bd3+ Kh6
32. Bb2 c4 33. Bf5 c3 34. Bxc8 cxb2+ 35. Kxb2 Rxh2 36. Rxa7
Rf2 37. Ra4 Kg6 38. Rd4 h5 39. a4 h4 40. a5 Bg2 41. a6 Nh5
42. Bb7 Nxf4 43. Rxf4 1-0
Perhaps black should try 3...c6 (instead of e4).
17 Jun 07
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Originally posted by SquelchbelchWell - could you show how black could improve their opening in that game? If you cant then I would recommend you to play 3...c6 instead of 3....e4.
Bit harsh, Korch.
Leko lost to Kramnik playing the Ruy Lopez - does that make the opening unsound?
For most mere mortals the Falkbeer is a great way to counter-attack the KG.
In game Kramnik - Leko way to draw was found after the game very fast.
17 Jun 07
Originally posted by KorchHow about instead of 8...Qe7
I would say that at least 2 RHP players - Nothern Lad or English Tal knows that opening (from white side) better than me.
But in my opinion Falkbeer counter gambit is not sound - at least its main lines. For example: 1.e4 e5 2.f4 d5 3.exd5 e4 4.d3 Nf6 4.dxe4 Nxe4 5.Nf3 Bc5 6. Qe2 Bf5 7.Nc3 gives white much better play. Here is one well-known game which s ...[text shortened]... b7 Nxf4 43. Rxf4 1-0
Perhaps black should try 3...c6 (instead of e4).
8...Bf2+?! Preventing KS castle
9.Kd1...0-0
10.Nxe4...Qxd5+
white to move
It would need a cool head for white to not make a mistake. He must be flustered & this treatment is definately not what the KG player wants.
I may try this if someone follows the white side of the 3...e4 main line, but 90% of the time I get 2.Nf3 😛
17 Jun 07
Originally posted by SquelchbelchI dont see real compensation for black after 11.Ned2 with 12.Qc4 to follow.
How about instead of 8...Qe7
8...Bf2+?! Preventing KS castle
9.Kd1...0-0
10.Nxe4...Qxd5+
white to move
[fen]rn3rk1/ppp2ppp/8/3q1b2/4NP2/5N2/PPP1QbPP/R1BK1B1R w - - 0 11[/fen]
It would need a cool head for white to not make a mistake. He must be flustered & this treatment is definately not what the KG player wants.
I may try this if someone follows the white side of the 3...e4 main line, but 90% of the time I get 2.Nf3 😛
17 Jun 07
Originally posted by KorchI don't play this gambit so i'm not sure but is
I would say that at least 2 RHP players - Nothern Lad or English Tal knows that opening (from white side) better than me.
But in my opinion Falkbeer counter gambit is not sound - at least its main lines. For example: 1.e4 e5 2.f4 d5 3.exd5 e4 4.d3 Nf6 4.dxe4 Nxe4 5.Nf3 Bc5 6. Qe2 Bf5 7.Nc3 gives white much better play. Here is one well-known game which s ...[text shortened]... b7 Nxf4 43. Rxf4 1-0
Perhaps black should try 3...c6 (instead of e4).
4.d3 exd3 playable for black?
And no i'm not causing trouble like last time 🙂
Just curious, seems like an interesting gambit.
17 Jun 07
Originally posted by RahimK4....exd3 is no good. after 5.Bxd3 (5.Qxd3 is also good) white will keep their extra pawn or (if black plays 5...Qxd5) will get serious lead in development.
I don't play this gambit so i'm not sure but is
4.d3 exd3 playable for black?
And no i'm not causing trouble like last time 🙂
Just curious, seems like an interesting gambit.
17 Jun 07
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Originally posted by Golub. e4 e5 2. f4 d5 3. exd5 exf4 4.Nf3 transposes into Modern defence (1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 d5 4.exd5). Its not bad defence against Kings gambit, but its another story.
There is also the 1. e4 e5 2. f4 d5 3. exd5 exf4 branch.
White still gets his half-open f-file (eventually), but this at least steers the game into different play than what a KG-player is used to. The question is how this branch continues..
17 Jun 07
Originally posted by KorchThe Modern defence? Can you give any example of a game that continues into the Modern from there? I thought the modern had something to do with g6, etc.
. e4 e5 2. f4 d5 3. exd5 exf4 4.Nf3 transposes into Modern defence (1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 d5 4.exd5). Its not bad defence against Kings gambit, but its another story.