26 Nov 08
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Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromficsMy point is - if even world champions feels unpleasant in such kind of positions what do you expect from lower rated players? 🙂
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I keep saying below master level, and you keep giving world champion examples. hehe
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26 Nov 08
Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromficsYes I do, and I have a little booklet thing on the tennison gambit.
It's the Tennison. 🙂
Do you have the book by Lutes?
It has some interesting biographical history in addition to analysis from many old sources. 🙂
I don't play any of the material in either of them. This mostly because I don't play the tennison 😉
26 Nov 08
Originally posted by SophyThread 102594
What about the counter gambit greco, Levian gambit, 1 e4 -e5 2 cf3 f5.
26 Nov 08
The thing that I think is most interesting in the above game is after 1.d4 d5 2.e4 dxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 exf3 5.Qxf3 !?
Here can a lot of comlpicated play apear. As we saw in the game, the pawn on d4 is poissioned and white get a lot of lines and some diagonals to play on. The variation is a little dubius, but quite simple to play for an agressive player.....
26 Nov 08
Originally posted by DagamoStyleAh, yes, the Ryder Gambit. White can score a quick knockout if Black isn't very careful.
The thing that I think is most interesting in the above game is after 1.d4 d5 2.e4 dxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 exf3 5.Qxf3 !?
Here can a lot of comlpicated play apear. As we saw in the game, the pawn on d4 is poissioned and white get a lot of lines and some diagonals to play on. The variation is a little dubius, but quite simple to play for an agressive player.....
I play the Ryder in blitz sometimes. Here is the "anidote":
1 d4 d5 2 e4 de 3 Nc3 Nf6 4 f3 ef 5 Qf3 Qd4! 6 Be3 Qg4! 7 Qf2. Black's up two pawns, so White has to do something quick. Unfortunately, there's not much to do if Black is careful. Even so, Tim Sawyer in his excellent Blackmar-Diemer Gambit Keybook, says that there are a number of strong BDG players who play the Ryder Gambit any chance they get. Black has to stumble to lose, but stumble Black often does!
27 Nov 08
Yes, Qg4 is of course much better, but I would have left the d4-pawn on the board if I where black. After Qg4, then white strategy is to move out the light pieces, castle somewhere (hopefully Q-side 😉 ), Put the Rooks in the d-, e- or f-file. Push as hard as possibly on some weak point in blacks camp. Try not to exchange pieces and hope for the best.
This is extremely successful in blitz and fast games.
27 Nov 08
Originally posted by Sophy1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5
What about the counter gambit greco, Levian gambit, 1 e4 -e5 2 cf3 f5.
A. 3.exf5 e4 4.Ne5 (4.Ng1 is interesting. Black plays a King's Gambit with an extra tempo, but does having the pawn a square further up the board help or hurt?) Nf6 5.Be2 d6 6.Bh5+ Ke7 7.Nf7 Qe8
is a typical (wild) variation. Surely you will need more analysis.
B. 3.Nxe5 Qf6 4.d4 (4.Nc4 is also an option) d6 5.Nc4 fxe4 6.Nc3 Qg6 is one of the main lines.
C. 3.Nc3 fxe4 4.Nxe5 Nf6 ?! 5.Ng4 wins a pawn.4. ... Qf6 is better.
D. 3.d4 fxe4 4.Ne5 Nf6 5.Nc3 d6 6.Bg5 is another variation where black must defend carefully.
E. 3.Bc4
This is the most exciting/fun variation. Their is a major problem with it. Most people who have not seen the gambit will play 3.Nxe5 or 3.exf5. The only players that tend to play 3.Bc4 are the ones that have actually analyzed the lines themselves. Therefore, much of the preparation in these lines will have already been seen by white.
JUST MY OPINION
3.Bc4 fxe4 4.Nxe5 Qg5 5.d4 Qxg2 is one of the more complicated lines. The positions get really crazy. Sometimes the black king walks to a6. In Kosten's book, I believe black was left in bad shape in the end.
Interestingly, 3.Bc4 b5 was invented to give the king a square in the above variation. 4.Bxg8 (instead of 4.Bb3 fxe4) makes it less fun.
3.Bc4 fxe4 5.Nxe5 d5 is another way to go.
6.Qh5+ g6 7.Nxg6 Nf6 (hxg6 is also a variation) 8.Qe5+ Be7 is another wild variation.
Many of the Latvian Gambit positions resemble nothing else on Earth. 🙂
It can be a fun exciting tactical opening.
3.Nxe5 (while not necessarily a refutation) does tend to change the whole flavor of the opening. It makes the gambit less fun to play.
For further sources on this gambit
The Latvian Gambit Made Easy is a nice introduction with 1 set repertoire for black. Don't pay more than the original $6 or so. It is very thin.
The Latvian Gambit Lives By Kosten is THE BOOK on the gambit.
There is a lot of great stuff in that one.