this thread (and even this Forum) has skewed off course, and i have a few gripes:
1: I was trying to ask a genuine question for my interest & others. At first I didn't clarify all the variables, and also got confused about 'moves vs plys'. If those who chose to post 'unhelpful' responses had read the entire thread then we might have got somewhere.
2: I really thought this Forum was about Chess. I also really thought that at at least one of our forums could have some sense of seriousness.
3:If you cant add anything genuinely constructive in this forum then go away.
I also often think that I can analyze 10-15 ply ahead. Unfortunately it is rare that my variations are accurate that far out. This may be the difference in what you are claiming and what others are hearing. Many GM's and IM's have said that they don't calculate very deeply in most positions, and I tend to believe that. But in extremely tactical positions, they can and do calculate very deeply...usually because the lines are more forced. I thik this was the reason behind Reti's "1 move" claim (which is well documented). I believe his point was that in most positions, you don't need to look too deeply. True, you have to do a tactical assesment to make sure you aren't hanging anything when you make a "positional" move, but top level players probably do this with much less conscious effort than the rest of us.
*EDIT* When I say rare, I mean never 😉
Originally posted by TRAINS44Whatever. Feast your eyes.
No one can picture 15 chess moves ahead. Dont give a shlt who it is.
Wilhelm Steinitz - Curt Von Bardeleben [C54]
Hastings, 1895
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d4 exd4 6.cxd4 Bb4+ 7.Nc3 d5 8.exd5 Nxd5 9.0-0 Be6 10.Bg5 Be7 11.Bxd5! Bxd5 12.Nxd5 Qxd5 13.Bxe7 Nxe7 14.Re1 f6 15.Qe2 Qd7 16.Rac1 c6? 17.d5 cxd5 18.Nd4 Kf7 19.Ne6 Rhc8 20.Qg4 g6 21.Ng5+ Ke8 22.Rxe7+ Kf8 23.Rf7+ Kg8 24.Rg7+ Kh8 25.Rxh7+ 1-0
After Steinitz's 25th move, his embarassed opponent left the playing hall and didn't return. After Steinitz won on time, he demonstarted to the onlookers the forced mate that he had seen in his head as early as move 20.
25.Rxh7+! Kg8 26.Rg7+ Kh8 27.Qh4+ Kxg7 28.Qh7+ Kf8 29.Qh8+ Ke7 30.Qg7+ Ke8 31.Qg8+ Ke7 32.Qf7+ Kd8 33.Qf8+ Qe8 34.Nf7+ Kd7 35.Qd6#
Originally posted by Natural ScienceHere I put the moves from the actual game together with the continuation for those who wish to cut and paste the entire thing into their chess application.
Whatever. Feast your eyes.
Wilhelm Steinitz - Curt Von Bardeleben [C54]
Hastings, 1895
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d4 exd4 6.cxd4 Bb4+ 7.Nc3 d5 8.exd5 Nxd5 9.0-0 Be6 10.Bg5 Be7 11.Bxd5! Bxd5 12.Nxd5 Qxd5 13.Bxe7 Nxe7 14.Re1 f6 15.Qe2 Qd7 16.Rac1 c6? 17.d5 cxd5 18.Nd4 Kf7 19.Ne6 Rhc8 20.Qg4 g6 21.Ng5+ Ke8 22.Rxe7+ Kf8 23.Rf7+ Kg8 24 ...[text shortened]... Kxg7 28.Qh7+ Kf8 29.Qh8+ Ke7 30.Qg7+ Ke8 31.Qg8+ Ke7 32.Qf7+ Kd8 33.Qf8+ Qe8 34.Nf7+ Kd7 35.Qd6#
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d4 exd4 6.cxd4 Bb4+ 7.Nc3 d5 8.exd5 Nxd5 9.0-0 Be6 10.Bg5 Be7 11.Bxd5 Bxd5 12.Nxd5 Qxd5 13.Bxe7 Nxe7 14.Re1 f6 15.Qe2 Qd7 16.Rac1 c6? 17.d5 cxd5 18.Nd4 Kf7 19.Ne6 Rhc8 20.Qg4 g6 21.Ng5+ Ke8 22.Rxe7+ Kf8 23.Rf7+ Kg8 24.Rg7+ Kh8 25.Rxh7+ Kg8 26.Rg7+ Kh8 27.Qh4+ Kxg7 28.Qh7+ Kf8 29.Qh8+ Ke7 30.Qg7+ Ke8 31.Qg8+ Ke7 32.Qf7+ Kd8 33.Qf8+ Qe8 34.Nf7+ Kd7 35.Qd6#