13 Feb 10
Originally posted by scacchipazzoI can understand the disrespect thing you're talking about here sort of, but I have played a lot of guys in the park that talk a lot of crap and sometimes even cheat by moving a piece with a little slight of hand. I've seen this happen before! Prolonging a mate by a move or two does'nt really seem that disrespectful to me. Anyone that gets angry about something like that is just getting mad because they lost in my view.
Have it your way, I'll have it mine. I like my jock strap in a tight wad! I'm referring in BOC's case to the fact that if there is mate in one delaying it is sort of insulting, especially in his example where sac is for mere show. Never averse to pretty mates if position allows for these, but objective should be immediate mate. I would never prolong a g ...[text shortened]... e is no disrespect, but if you willfully delay you might even miscalculate and blow the game.
13 Feb 10
Originally posted by TSaffleTalking smack during chess is quite unseemly. If you're talking about Washington Sq. in NYC at least great chess is played there. Between friends is one thing, but between strangers it's another thing. Prolonging games can really come back and bite you. I used to play some in yahoochess and stopped because of the lack of restraint by some players and the smack talking. If you've got mate in one and you sac a queen to mate with another piece I'd find that insulting. That's just me. Between friends I might be amused. I hate trash talkers and cheaters in any game, sport or life in general. Call it jock strap in a wad, if you must. That's just me. Let's agree to disagree.
I can understand the disrespect thing you're talking about here sort of, but I have played a lot of guys in the park that talk a lot of crap and sometimes even cheat by moving a piece with a little slight of hand. I've seen this happen before! Prolonging a mate by a move or two does'nt really seem that disrespectful to me. Anyone that gets angry about something like that is just getting mad because they lost in my view.
13 Feb 10
Originally posted by scacchipazzoYeah. Wash. Sq. Park in NYC and Rittenhouse Park in Philly is where I've done most of my park chess playing. There is great chess to be found there sometimes - a lot of bad chess too though. There were a lot of hustlers in Union Sq. but I think the police and renovations squashed that.
Talking smack during chess is quite unseemly. If you're talking about Washington Sq. in NYC at least great chess is played there. Between friends is one thing, but between strangers it's another thing. Prolonging games can really come back and bite you. I used to play some in yahoochess and stopped because of the lack of restraint by some players and th ...[text shortened]... neral. Call it jock strap in a wad, if you must. That's just me. Let's agree to disagree.
Chess should be a game of gentlemen. I do think that subjecting yourself to the trash talkers every once in a while tests you otb nerve and mental toughness though.
Insofar as mating is concerned I'm happy if my opponent trys for a fancy mate and screws up. But finally I think that there is nothing disrepectful about making any legal move. It is a game where people agree to the rules of the game - and one of these is that each player can make whatever legal move choice they want. If your on the losing end of the stick well... you have yourself to blame for that and you can always resign anyway.
13 Feb 10
Originally posted by TSaffleQuite true. Don't ever have to wait to be disrespected at all. I'm in NYC at least once a year and never end up having enough time for a game or two at the parks. Maybe next summer. You make a great point. as long as it is within the rules you don't have to mate in a minimum number of moves at all. Same for when someone resigns. I don't expect people to resign merely because their position is awful. I play on and never ask anyone to resign. I feel more insulted/amused by someone offering a draw when their position is way lost or like some dude who tried arguing that after 80 moves it's an automatic draw if you have not yet mated.
Yeah. Wash. Sq. Park in NYC and Rittenhouse Park in Philly is where I've done most of my park chess playing. There is great chess to be found there sometimes - a lot of bad chess too though. There were a lot of hustlers in Union Sq. but I think the police and renovations squashed that.
Chess should be a game of gentlemen. I do think that subjecting yours ...[text shortened]... end of the stick well... you have yourself to blame for that and you can always resign anyway.
13 Feb 10
Originally posted by scacchipazzoAbsolutely. I hate it when I'm playing blitz here and the other guy repeatedly offers a draw every move when they've clearly lost - though technically this is allowed. Are there tournament rules of any sort that keep someone from doing this speciffically? Anyway, when this happens I start to taunt them a little by saying 'oh, you want a draw huh?' and 'well... I'll think about about....maybe in another 10 or 20 moves if you last that long'. There is always the potential to turn and irritating person into a source of amusement.
Quite true. Don't ever have to wait to be disrespected at all. I'm in NYC at least once a year and never end up having enough time for a game or two at the parks. Maybe next summer. You make a great point. as long as it is within the rules you don't have to mate in a minimum number of moves at all. Same for when someone resigns. I don't expect people to ...[text shortened]... ude who tried arguing that after 80 moves it's an automatic draw if you have not yet mated.
If you want a good game in nyc go down Thompson St. - it runs south out of Wash. Sq. Park and there is a chess club 1 or 2 blocks (I think it is called Forum Chess?)down where you can rent a board and clock for something like $2 an hour. Always people there and it is a more serious environment than the park.
14 Feb 10
Originally posted by TSaffleNo rules against annoying opponent by offering spurious draws. I indeed always gracefully respond that if things remain unclear in 5-10 moves we can revisit the issue. All this after taking another pawn or two! The last time this happened on RHP, I was up a couple minor pieces and had three connected passed pawns. Being offered a draw was quite amusing!
Absolutely. I hate it when I'm playing blitz here and the other guy repeatedly offers a draw every move when they've clearly lost - though technically this is allowed. Are there tournament rules of any sort that keep someone from doing this speciffically? Anyway, when this happens I start to taunt them a little by saying 'oh, you want a draw huh?' and 'well. ...[text shortened]... like $2 an hour. Always people there and it is a more serious environment than the park.
I love NYC, BTW. Most interesting place in the USA, but Chicago and Boston are not far behind. It is no surprise Fischer cut his chess teeth in NYC parks with the GM level hobos! Excellent training indeed!
14 Feb 10
I sometimes do this sort of thing in online blitz games. For example these are the final moves of a game I played yesterday. I could have won by more convential means earlier on, but decided to see if I could set up a problem-like position I was shown a few weeks ago.
14 Feb 10
Originally posted by Fat LadyNice zugzwang!
I sometimes do this sort of thing in online blitz games. For example these are the final moves of a game I played yesterday. I could have won by more convential means earlier on, but decided to see if I could set up a problem-like position I was shown a few weeks ago.
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[Result "1-0"]
[FEN "8/8/2Q5/8/7p/7K/pk6/8 w - - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
{--------- ...[text shortened]... Kc2 2. Qc4+ Kb2 3. Qb4+ Kc2 4. Qa3 Kb1 5. Qb3+ Ka1 6. Kg4 h3 7. Qc2
h2 8. Qc1#
*
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14 Feb 10
Hi Fat Lady.
A few years ago I saw a Scottish girl junior do that OTB in a tournament game.
One guy was pulling confused faces at the wee girls moves not seeing at
all what she was up to.
The final postion was something like this after she released the Black e-apwn.
The mate I like pulling off in blitz is this one which I have had only once OTB.
Of course one must be careful where you position the Queen. Else you could get.
OOPS!
16 Feb 10
Originally posted by scacchipazzoThere is a USCF rule about spurious conduct, including repeated draw offers. I left my rule book at the club, so I'll get it Thursday and post the reference. There is a general rule about spurious conduct of all sorts, and even specific references to people who have lost interest in the game and no longer intend to move, and and attempt to just let the clock run out.
No rules against annoying opponent by offering spurious draws. I indeed always gracefully respond that if things remain unclear in 5-10 moves we can revisit the issue. All this after taking another pawn or two! The last time this happened on RHP, I was up a couple minor pieces and had three connected passed pawns. Being offered a draw was quite amusing! ...[text shortened]... ise Fischer cut his chess teeth in NYC parks with the GM level hobos! Excellent training indeed!
My older edition of the Rule book (3rd Edition, 1987) also has the FIDE rules (dated, of course), and under Article 15 THE CONDUCT OF THE PLAYERS rule 15.1.d states "It is forbidden to distract or annoy the opponent in any manner whatsoever".
I am a USCF Local TD (only 2nd level, and not a big deal), so I don't see this kind of conduct very often, but my colleagues who run bigger events (USCF Senior TD Harvey Lerman in FL, and International Arbiter Jon Haskel in FL) have had to deal with all sorts of stuff, and they often have to answer "It's not against the rules" with "Oh yes it is".
Basically, A TD can intervene to correct idiot conduct. You can get away with all sorts of stuff at a club or in the park, but tournament chess is governed by rules of play and conduct that encompass far more than people often think.
For those who have not read the rules of chess, it is well worth your while to do so before you play in a tournament.
Paul
16 Feb 10
A few months ago I was controlling a tournament where my son (aged 11) was playing. He was destroying his opponent, but instead of checkmating her he promoted an extra couple of pawns and started checking her around the board. After the game I told him off for showing his opponent no respect, and it turned out that at the start of the round the other controller had told all the children that he would give a chocolate to anyone who's game lasted more than ten minutes - my son was just trying to make sure he got his chocolate.
16 Feb 10
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Originally posted by Paul LeggettMain Entry: spu·ri·ous
There is a USCF rule about spurious conduct, including repeated draw offers. I left my rule book at the club, so I'll get it Thursday and post the reference. There is a general rule about spurious conduct of all sorts, and even specific references to people who have lost interest in the game and no longer intend to move, and and attempt to just let th of chess, it is well worth your while to do so before you play in a tournament.
Paul
Function: adjective
Etymology: Late Latin & Latin; Late Latin spurius false, from Latin, of illegitimate birth, from spurius, noun, bastard
Date: 1598
1 : of illegitimate birth : bastard
2 : outwardly similar or corresponding to something without having its genuine qualities : false <the spurious eminence of the pop celebrity>
3 a : of falsified or erroneously attributed origin : forged b : of a deceitful nature or quality <spurious excuses>
— spu·ri·ous·ly adverb
— spu·ri·ous·ness noun
Edit - in other words don't be a bastard?!?
17 Feb 10
Originally posted by ExumaWow, that makes the point so clearly, it almost makes a rulebook reference a formality... or should I say that it would be a spurious reference!🙂
Main Entry: spu·ri·ous
Function: adjective
Etymology: Late Latin & Latin; Late Latin spurius false, from Latin, of illegitimate birth, from spurius, noun, bastard
Date: 1598
1 : of illegitimate birth : bastard
2 : outwardly similar or corresponding to something without having its genuine qualities : false <the spurious eminence of the pop celebrity>
3 ...[text shortened]...
— spu·ri·ous·ly adverb
— spu·ri·ous·ness noun
Edit - in other words don't be a bastard?!?