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Didn't Brown also have to legitimately beat the "weakest" player in the group?

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Originally posted by Zygalski
Didn't Brown also have to also legitimately beat the "weakest" player in the group?
He said he did, but as morg said, they usually don't tell their secrets. I would love to see an engine match rate on that one game.

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Paul Leggett
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Originally posted by Paul Leggett
I've had people do this to me in tournaments on the site. I will usually stagger how I move in the two games to "unsynch" the timebanks so that the copycat is compelled to move before the stronger player has to.

If I bother, that is. Sometimes I will have different moves I want to play from a given position, so I will just vary myself.
The one time I thought someone was doing it, it was in the opening phase of a King's Gambit thematic tournament, and a player was (it appeared to me) imitating what kingshill was playing against me. It went on for about 8 moves, and then varied when the timebank forced a move.

I was perfectly fine with kingshill pasting me, but I didn't want to lose the same game twice.

I'll try to see if I can find the exact game and it's mirror.

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Originally posted by Zygalski
Didn't Brown also have to legitimately beat the "weakest" player in the group?
There was some discussion at the time about how strong the 9th player, Robert Chan, was. An idiot called Mark Howitt claimed that he was 2200+ strength:
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=1610

Some games played by Chan in 2005 are now available on the ECF grading site:
http://www.ecfgrading.org.uk/?ref=262765G&listid=1230622513

As you can see, he didn't beat anyone with a grade higher than 100, although he did manage one draw against a 105. I don't know what sort of FIDE rating he would be, but based on these results he seems to be a weak player.

Although I think it's likely that Derren Brown cheated in a different way in this game (e.g. by having the moves fed to him from someone watching the game), it's also conceivable that he could have beaten Chan by normal means.

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Originally posted by Fat Lady
Although I think it's likely that Derren Brown cheated in a different way in this game (e.g. by having the moves fed to him from someone watching the game), it's also conceivable that he could have beaten Chan by normal means.
I sincerely hope he did not do it by this method. Somehow using an engine loses all the mysticism associated with the trick, compared to other potential means (maybe mirroring the moves of the strongest player against two opponents, I dunno)

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The full line up was.

Nathan Alfred ... FIDE Master
Robert Chan ... President of Chess Society, King's College London
John Emms ... Grandmaster
Julian Hodgson ... Grandmaster
Graham Lee ... FIDE Master
Jonathan Levitt ... Grandmaster
Paul Littlewood ... International Master
Desmond Tan ... Former England Junior Player
Chris Ward ... Grandmaster

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Originally posted by Fat Lady
There was some discussion at the time about how strong the 9th player, Robert Chan, was. An idiot called Mark Howitt claimed that he was 2200+ strength:
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=1610

Some games played by Chan in 2005 are now available on the ECF grading site:
http://www.ecfgrading.org.uk/?ref=262765G&listid=1230622513

As you ca ...[text shortened]... ne watching the game), it's also conceivable that he could have beaten Chan by normal means.
Maybe Chan was a plant, and they played a choreographed game.

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Originally posted by ChessPraxis
Games In Progress
I am only playing on RHP. So I can not have any other games in progress. I may play on some other site in the future however. I am used to RHP now and I do not know if any of the other sites have the analyze board feature. Perhaps you can fill me in.

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Originally posted by ChessPraxis
Maybe Chan was a plant, and they played a choreographed game.
Good point. Magicians often do things like that.

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He probably just chose the No. 1 player and used his moves against the No. 9 player.

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Sorry i just realised that what i said is nonsense.

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