30 Dec 05
Originally posted by no1marauderIs there a move order trick somewhere along the lines (via the Modern Defence) of 1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Nc3 c5!?
Those moves themselves are B27 in the ECO, so if he's looking at B34-38, he's looking at the standard Accelerated Dragon which is considered somewhat suspect against the Maroczy Bind formation. I wouldn't call it "unsound", however.
What do people think of this?
(in the game I observed played in the Open section, it went 4. dxc5 Qa5 5. Be3)
31 Dec 05
Originally posted by exigentskyWhy not the Pirc?
Well, what's right for the grandmasters may be too complex for me. Anyway, GMs play the Hyper Accelerated Dragon also, but that doesn't automatically make it good or bad. Some GMs are actually known to play openings considered inferior because they are great experts in them. Lev Alburt for example, played the Alekhine Defense even though he knew that with ...[text shortened]... rated Dragon, what do you guys consider a strong, maybe similar alternative? (except the Pirc)
10 Jan 06
The line recommended by Alburt in his book is not the true Hyper-Accelerated Dragon. That line (played by GMs like Shabalov and every once in while by Kasparov and Topalov) goes c5, g6, Bg7. The line in Alburt's book is some hybrid that does have 2...g6 but then follows with 3...Nc6. So it is really the Accelerated Dragon with a different move order. Both of these openings are pretty sound in my opinion and quite effective in the right hands. If you have Chessbase, check the players who are playing the black side of 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 g6 3. d4 Bg7....you might be surprised.
10 Jan 06
Originally posted by englishsicilianI think the opening is called the Hyper-Accelerated Dragon based on only the fist two moves. 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 g6. Anyone else care to comment? Is this correct?
The line recommended by Alburt in his book is not the true Hyper-Accelerated Dragon. That line (played by GMs like Shabalov and every once in while by Kasparov and Topalov) goes c5, g6, Bg7. The line in Alburt's book is some hybrid that does have 2...g6 but then follows with 3...Nc6. So it is really the Accelerated Dragon with a different move ord ...[text shortened]... s who are playing the black side of 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 g6 3. d4 Bg7....you might be surprised.
The line recommended in Chess Openings for Black Explained is a significant improvement over the standard Bg7. I have studied this intensely for hours and hours. The benefits of Nc6 before Bg7 are not immediately obvious, but when you are up against the Maroczy, the reason for their choice becomes clear. It avoids the horrendous B38 and B39 variations in which Black often suffers over 25% more losses. In general, Black has more flexibility and counterplay. On the other hand, if the Maroczy is not played, it usually does not matter if Nc6 was played first because Bg7 is played the next move anyway.
Anyway, sorry, but I don't have Chessbase (I wish I did). However, I have studied this variation in other databases.
10 Jan 06
Originally posted by englishsicilian1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 g6 3. d4 Nc6
The line recommended by Alburt in his book is not the true Hyper-Accelerated Dragon. That line (played by GMs like Shabalov and every once in while by Kasparov and Topalov) goes c5, g6, Bg7. The line in Alburt's book is some hybrid that does have 2...g6 but then follows with 3...Nc6. So it is really the Accelerated Dragon with a different move ord ...[text shortened]... s who are playing the black side of 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 g6 3. d4 Bg7....you might be surprised.
What about 4.d5?
10 Jan 06
Originally posted by rathishThis post shouldn't be in this thread - you'll annoy a lot of people btw!!
hi all,
1.e4 . e5 2.Ng1f3 . Nb8c6 3.Bf1c4 . Ng8f6 4.Nf3g5 . d5 5.exd5 .
NOW HOW MUCH VICTORY CHANCE DOES WHITE HAVE INCASE BLACK PLAYS...... Nxd5???????
Regards,
Rathish.K
11 Jan 06
Originally posted by exigentskyNot sure I understand where you're coming from. Can you explain in more detail how Nc6 before Bg7 avoids B38 and B39? Here's B38: 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 cxd4 4 Nxd4 g6 5 c4 Bg7 6 Be3 and here's B39: 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 cxd4 4 Nxd4 g6 5 c4 Bg7 6 Be3 Nf6 7 Nc3 Ng4. It seems like moving Nc6 before Bg7 makes these lines more likely, not less likely. In any case, I'm not sure I trust the statistics on the chessgames.com openings where the total number of games is in the hundreds.
I think the opening is called the Hyper-Accelerated Dragon based on only the fist two moves. 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 g6. Anyone else care to comment? Is this correct?
The line recommended in Chess Openings for Black Explained is a significant improvement over the standard Bg7. I have studied this intensely for hours and hours. The benefits of Nc6 before Bg7 are ...[text shortened]... don't have Chessbase (I wish I did). However, I have studied this variation in other databases.
11 Jan 06
Originally posted by englishsicilianYou are not using the move order I recommended. What I'm referring to is 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 g6 3 d4 cxd 4 Nxd Nc6 (not Bg7) 5 c4 Nf6.
Not sure I understand where you're coming from. Can you explain in more detail how Nc6 before Bg7 avoids B38 and B39? Here's B38: 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 cxd4 4 Nxd4 g6 5 c4 Bg7 6 Be3 and here's B39: 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 cxd4 4 Nxd4 g6 5 c4 Bg7 6 Be3 Nf6 7 Nc3 Ng4. It seems like moving Nc6 before Bg7 makes these lines more likely, not less lik ...[text shortened]... tatistics on the chessgames.com openings where the total number of games is in the hundreds.
Also, do you have a link to some games for the GMs you mention?
12 Jan 06
I found the games for Wojo and Shabalov most easily on chessbase, but you should be able to hunt some down on chessgames.com. I'm not sure if the term "hyper-accelerated" refers to any line that has 2...g6 or not. In Silman's book Accelerated Dragons, his use of the term is for the order 1. c5 2. g6 3. Bg7. The main problem of this hyper-accelerated dragon to me is when white moves 4. d5 and the setup becomes some sort of mutated Benoni.
12 Jan 06
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Originally posted by englishsicilianI'm almost 100% sure that the Hyper-Accelerated Dragon is defined by 1 ...c5 2 ..g6 and after that it is a matter of choice and usually transposes into the Accelerated Dragon.
I found the games for Wojo and Shabalov most easily on chessbase, but you should be able to hunt some down on chessgames.com. I'm not sure if the term "hyper-accelerated" refers to any line that has 2...g6 or not. In Silman's book Accelerated Dragons, his use of the term is for the order 1. c5 2. g6 3. Bg7. The main problem of this hyper-accelerated dragon to me is when white moves 4. d5 and the setup becomes some sort of mutated Benoni.
As for white moving d5? Why would you allow that? Just take d4 with your c pawn and you have a good game. Also, after g6, it is usually better to move Nc6. (though it depends on what White plays)
12 Jan 06
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Originally posted by exigentskyExigentsky, I believe you are correct after looking back at Silman's book. c5, g6 is the hyper-accelerated dragon. Assuming that white then plays 3. d4 there are two main responses: 3..cxd as in Alburt or 3...Bg7 as in Silman's book and in the games of Shabalov, etc. It seems to me that there are a number of reasons for playing these lines. First, 2...g6 avoids the Rossolimo and delaying the movement of your d-pawn holds off the Yugoslav Attack that can kill the regular Dragon. If you play Alburt's line, you don't have to worry about 4. d5, but you do open the option of 4. Q x d4, which is not possible in the normal Accelerated or in the Silman line. I have found that few White players going against the Silman line play 4. d5.....they usually play dxc or Nc3, both of which give black a good game. I probably shouldn't have called it the "main problem" with the line...It's just a minor variation that I find annoying.
I'm almost 100% sure that the Hyper-Accelerated Dragon is defined by 1 ...c5 2 ..g6 and after that it is a matter of choice and usually transposes into the Accelerated Dragon.
As for white moving d5? Why would you allow that? Just take d4 with your c pawn and you have a good game. Also, after g6, it is usually better to move Nc6. (though it depends on what White plays)