13 Apr 07
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Originally posted by KeplerAgain, what is the point of cheating? What do you gain...false bragging rights? You do what you want to, but your chess rank on this site versus mine don't mean squat when it comes time to pay the bills each month and the taxman each year. Chess is entertainment, unless you are playing for a living. If you are playing for a living, you had better be good enough to do it without databases and engines. I just feel sorry for those who need to cheat to feel that they are a success at something.
kingcaptured seems a little odd in that respect. He didn't play that many games in his four years here and only had 13 in progress when he was booted. I have seen people playing almost half as many games at one time as kingcaptured played all the time he was here. Maybe he wasn't using an engine but cheating some other way? 3b doesn't just cover engine use.
13 Apr 07
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Originally posted by KeplerHe used an engine, Fritz. Even if one were to disregard the high correlation, there are very obvious examples of his engine use such as this (although obviously cases such as the one presented are rare, with the rook left trapped behind enemy lines).
kingcaptured seems a little odd in that respect. He didn't play that many games in his four years here and only had 13 in progress when he was booted. I have seen people playing almost half as many games at one time as kingcaptured played all the time he was here. Maybe he wasn't using an engine but cheating some other way? 3b doesn't just cover engine use.
Game 2156944
I think the number of engine users in the top tier of RHP has somewhat diminished, at least within the last year...
13 Apr 07
Originally posted by YugaYup, that looks fairly engine shaped. Just out of interest, how do you know it was Fritz he was using? I am assuming he didn't tell you!
He used an engine, Fritz. Even if one were to disregard the high correlation, there are very obvious examples of his engine use such as this (although obviously cases such as the one presented are rare, with the rook left trapped behind enemy lines).
Game 2156944
I think the number of engine users in the top tier of RHP has somewhat diminished, at least within the last year...
13 Apr 07
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out of interest -- if your're banned do you get your membership refunded?
if so, perhaps RHP should keep thier monney and make it blatantly clear that happens when they become a suscriber...
maybe, the thought of losing monney would discourage some going-to-be cheaters.
13 Apr 07
Originally posted by ShinidokiRHP can't hold the cash. All a user needs to do is decline the charge, have it reversed etc.
out of interest -- if your're banned do you get your membership refunded?
if so, perhaps RHP should keep thier monney and make it blatantly clear that happens when they become a suscriber...
maybe, the thought of losing monney would discourage some going-to-be cheaters.
Next comes a lot of paper-work for RHP.
The cash is given back, and ties are cut. Would be nice to punish in this way, but it isn't realistic.
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13 Apr 07
Originally posted by PhlabibitHopefully RHP only has to refund a pro-rated share of the subscription.
RHP can't hold the cash. All a user needs to do is decline the charge, have it reversed etc.
Next comes a lot of paper-work for RHP.
The cash is given back, and ties are cut. Would be nice to punish in this way, but it isn't realistic.
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Otherwise, there is no deterrant at all.
13 Apr 07
Originally posted by YugaThe tactics commencing with move 19 are blowing my mind. I think most humans would not even have looked at some of those lines let alone bothered to calculate them out to determine their soundness and yes Rook trapped on c7 would just be avoided my most players.
He used an engine, Fritz. Even if one were to disregard the high correlation, there are very obvious examples of his engine use such as this (although obviously cases such as the one presented are rare, with the rook left trapped behind enemy lines).
Game 2156944
I think the number of engine users in the top tier of RHP has somewhat diminished, at least within the last year...
Maybe this game is the one that tripped him up.
13 Apr 07
Originally posted by KeplerI've analyzed (way too many; hundreds and hundreds of games of many of the top players here; I actually have ~ 600 RHP games in my personal database that are from games I was not a part of!), although those games are generally those of only the players I consider legitimate. And then the RHP database came out. 🙄Unfortunately my memory usually only registers dross such as the players’ names, rating, result, opening, and not so much the intricacies that would improve my play. 🙁 Generally I do post-game analysis with Fritz8 (the only engine that I have [with whatever weak engines it comes with]; I do post-game analysis by using infinite analysis, and line pruning; similar to the technique of ICCF players – personally, I think correspondence chess that allows use of engines is BS and requires very little real skill, merely work ethic).
Yup, that looks fairly engine shaped. Just out of interest, how do you know it was Fritz he was using? I am assuming he didn't tell you!
I've played kingcaptured myself and it quickly became very clear that he was using an engine in both of our games.
I actually managed to obtain a winning position against him with white; the end position is winning (albeit I would need decent technique), but I resigned many games due to stress (sorry to my opponents!). But in this game below I was very, very lucky.
Game 2281320
Qh3-g2 is hilarious, no? He did have more compensation than I anticipated for the queen and I had to play reasonably accurately. Kxe4 would have been aesthetically pleasing, but, more likely, stupid, leading to unnecessary complications.
Our other game was a classic example of an engine simplifying the position in a way that I would never expect a human to. And he played such critical moves extremely quickly; of course, playing quickly or using a plethora of openings in any sense does not at all imply engine use. But it certainly gets my suspicions up!
13 Apr 07
Originally posted by Yugagetting the queen "trapped" in that way doesn't look human at all, simply because most players would reject it outright and not even bother to look further down complex tactical lines.
I've analyzed (way too many; hundreds and hundreds of games of many of the top players here; I actually have ~ 600 RHP games in my personal database that are from games I was not a part of!), although those games are generally those of only the players I consider legitimate. And then the RHP database came out. 🙄Unfortunately my memory usually only registers d ...[text shortened]... enings in any sense does not at all imply engine use. But it certainly gets my suspicions up!
If such a move is sound I would rate it as highly supicious.
13 Apr 07
Originally posted by z00tMy king is wandering a bit in this KG. Game 3357510 is still in progress after I moved too quickly early on and made an error and now I am really struggling although not without counter play.
I don't play or advocate for anyone to play the King Gambit but I don't think it is usual for your King to wander like that.
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I find this often happens with me in KGs usually because I make a stupid mistake. Incidently I do advocate the KG - its a solid fun opening with wild tactical play.