Mate with King, Knight and Bishop

Originally posted by tomtom232
You didn't get it? You said, "I can't [b]stand to read what he writes"


EDIT: and if you can't stand at all then it would logically follow that you wouldn't be able to stand to read what Silman writes.[/b]

Originally posted by adam warlock
Of course I did get it...

But...

you see...

the joke wasn't funny...

Sorry to break it down like this for you...

But I kinda (😛) like you and feel that I have to be honest with you...

I've been drunk and I've been with drunk people... So I know a drunk joke when I hear one...

Originally posted by tomtom232
it was going to lead even deeper...

Originally posted by adam warlock
Ok now you got me curious... I'm a sucker for crude humour...
what should I say to get the follow up joke?

Originally posted by tomtom232
You should make your move in our game. 😛

Originally posted by adam warlock
I'll lok at it then. I don't like my position.

Mate with K + B + N vs. K does happen. I've seen it twice, but not in my games, and in both cases the stronger side could not deliver mate before the 50 move rule kicked in. If you know this mate, you can achieve checkmate from the worst conceivable starting position in 34 moves.
It's a great exercise to learn to coordinate all three pieces.

yes, it happens
Game 4297113
oceancloud v platinumknight

(still a few moves to go)

Originally posted by ivan2908
Accordion Silman there is no need for learning it since it never happens. 😞

Originally posted by cairn
(still a few moves to go)

I liked "Accordian Silman" much better than "According to Silman". Now I have this mental picture of Silman playing one of those squeezeboxes. 🙂

The first (and only) large tournament that I played in had a KBN vs K game. I watched part of it. I was a tournament beginner, and it had to be explained to me just how rare these games are. BTW, the player successfully delivered mate, never having learned the procedure. He figured it out OTB!

One of my recent engine-engine tournament games (1800 games) had a KBN vs K game, and the engine was able to deliver mate. (It wasn't using tablebases.) I've never tried to figure out what percentage of engine games are this type, although it would be an interesting statistic.

Originally posted by Green Paladin
100 ... Kh1
101 Ne3 Kg1
102 Nf1 Kh1
103 Nh2 Kg1
104 Bf1 Kh1
105 Bg2+ Kg1
106 Nf3#

Is this the only mating position? (The books I have omit this mate).

ivan2908 vs mannie



White to move.

And Jeremy Silman says this doesn't happen in real games!! 🙂

It just takes practice; you'll be ready the next time it happens.

I also didn't think that this endgame had any practical value. I learned it because petrovitch was going to make me stand in a corner if I didn't. It was very easy to learn, and I'm glad I did. I may never see this position in practical play in my life (after all, I've been playing this game for many years like most of you, and haven't seen it yet), but by learning it you will learn things about the interaction between B & N that can have lasting practical value. Besides that, I have to admit that it is a little bit of fun just knowing that I can finally do this.

Learn it here:

http://www.chessvideos.tv/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=802&sid=97dc30486b8ede107f4345fdc2805ba4

Practice it here:

http://www.chessvideos.tv/bishop-knight-checkmate.php

Never complain about it again.

Originally posted by schakuhr
It is true that the chance of this endgame occuring in your games is really small, but it might just happen to you.

A few months ago in an OTB team match this endgame showed up. My teammate was playing a lost rook vs knight & bishop (+ some pawns both side). At some point (I already had gone home when this happened) he traded the rook for his opponent's ...[text shortened]... dn't know how to win this ending so he accepted a draw. He was nearly in tears, or so I heard.