30 Sep 07
Originally posted by exigentskyTopalov supporters said the same thing after San Luis. Vishy had 6 draws here in 22 moves or less.
Congratulations to Anand! I'm glad he has more fighting spirit than Kramnik but also enough calm to take a draw when it suits him. He hasn't even lost a game in this 14 round tournament against the very best players. I'm quite pleased.
30 Sep 07
Originally posted by sonhouseI don't think it's quite as simple as all that. Kasparov dominated chess (after Karpov passed his zenith) and I don't think you can argue with the same clarity that there is a GM who stands head and shoulders above the rest. Sure, they have good tourneys and intermittent periods of dominance but between Topalov, Kramnik and Anand (as well as a few others) there isn't that much to distinguish between their strength.
It says his rating is 2792 and a +56 performance rating, will that put him back over 2800? Kramnik lost to Morozovitch which is why he is not equal to Vishy.
30 Sep 07
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Originally posted by demonseedOf course its still a battle between those three now that Kaz has left the scene but I was just asking about Vishys rating now, if that +56 will run him back over 2800.
I don't think it's quite as simple as all that. Kasparov dominated chess (after Karpov passed his zenith) and I don't think you can argue with the same clarity that there is a GM who stands head and shoulders above the rest. Sure, they have good tourneys and intermittent periods of dominance but between Topalov, Kramnik and Anand (as well as a few others) there isn't that much to distinguish between their strength.
Also, why does this tourney give Vishy the world championship? Doesn't have to play an official match with Kramnik now? This doesn't seem to me the same thing as a match.
Seems to me the traditional view would be now Vishy gets the right to challenge Kramnik to a match for the REAL championship. I thought that's how it was done. Are we in a different era now with the championship cycle?
It seems now if they pronounce Vishy champ, he will be the first one in history to do so without a match, except maybe the very first championship back in the 1800's.
30 Sep 07
Originally posted by no1marauderSince Kramnik agreed to put his title on the line in this tournament, Anand is now the legitimate Champion. If Kramnik can beat Anand then he will deserve to regain the title, but right now he is nothing more than a former World Champion and future contender.
PFFT!!! World Champions in chess are decided by matches. If Vishy can beat Kramnik (who vanquished Kasparov) then he's WC.
30 Sep 07
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Originally posted by Maxwell SmartBS. If a few people want to accept Anand as champion even though all he has done is win a tournament, go ahead and do so. But it is disrespectful to the history of the game. For 150 years there is a straight line of succession for World Champion decided by matches. Kramnik defeated Kasparov and has twice successfully defended his crown. Winning a tournament, no matter what the clowns at FIDE call it, is not winning the World Championship.
Since Kramnik agreed to put his title on the line in this tournament, Anand is now the legitimate Champion. If Kramnik can beat Anand then he will deserve to regain the title, but right now he is nothing more than a [b]former World Champion and future contender.[/b]
30 Sep 07
Originally posted by no1marauderYou keep forgetting that little point about Kramnik agreeing to the terms... Let it go.
BS. If a few people want to accept Anand as champion even though all he has done is win a tournament, go ahead and do so. But it is disrespectful to the history of the game. For 150 years there is a straight line of succession for World Champion decided by matches. Kramnik defeated Kasparov and has twice successfully defended his crown. Winning a tournament, no matter what the clowns at FIDE call it, is not winning the World Championship.
30 Sep 07
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Originally posted by Maxwell SmartI really don't care what Kramnik agreed to (under threat of having his FIDE title, not the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP stripped). FIDE can't dictate who is World Champion; that is decided by match play.
You keep forgetting that little point about Kramnik agreeing to the terms... Let it go.
EDIT: Riddle me this; who was the World Champion during the 1990's?