@shallow-blue saidLol I'm not Carnivorum's advocate, he can speak for himself. I've been accused of dissing Carnivorum, however that is far from the truth (on the flip side I'm not his advocate).
Yeah. And on both sites, I call shenanigans.
The reality is that these traps have refutations so to bring some balance (to the people not fully following on) hence why other games are posted.
It would be boring only seeing Carnivorum beating people in 8 or 10 moves then if someone looks at his other games how is he losing?
@congruent saidOn Lichess, when somebody is new, for the first 20 games he gets a ? behind his rating.
Expand the pgn link to see it's on a different site 900 seconds per game. It's not on this site so the players could be new hence why high initial rating.
I was wondering why suddenly someone was butthurt (dude with doggy avatar), lol they don't have a clue what was going on.
So the combatants here were not new.
And on Lichess with the nick Carnivorum I have over 4500 games.
@congruent saidSome traps have refutations, like the Englund gambit, but the Blackburn-Shilling has no refutation.
Lol I'm not Carnivorum's advocate, he can speak for himself. I've been accused of dissing Carnivorum, however that is far from the truth (on the flip side I'm not his advocate).
The reality is that these traps have refutations so to bring some balance (to the people not fully following on) hence why other games are posted.
It would be boring only seeing Carnivorum beating people in 8 or 10 moves then if someone looks at his other games how is he losing?
Of course the enemy is not obligated to gobble up the poisoned pawn, but there is no refutation in the sense that black ends up in a terrible position when white refuses the gambit.
When white refuses the gambit, the only problem is that you'll have to play chess.
I suppose what @shallow-blue is saying is that as the "grandpatzer of chess traps" you could at least have played 20 games on here, no?
@congruent saidWhy the rush?
I suppose what @shallow-blue is saying is that as the "grandpatzer of chess traps" you could at least have played 20 games on here, no?
@carnivorum saidAnd here you can see an example of the Englund gambit like mate in the Tennison gambit.
Got another successful Tennison gambit. I gave the enemy a pawn, then a horse, and relieved him of a castle and two pawns. Good deal for me.
I who played a gambit, gave him a pawn in the opening, ended up with a plus pawn, and an exchange as interest.
He was very lucky not to go mate within 10 moves, because most of the time when my queen is on b7, his bishop ...[text shortened]... d gambit.
Here it might take a few moves more, because it was a different more complicated gambit.
I said: "He was very lucky not to go mate within 10 moves, because most of the time when my queen is on b7, his bishop on c6, attacking my queen, and my bishop on b5, pinning his bishop on his king, they try to save their castle by defending the bishop with their queen, and that usually leads to a mate in 7 moves in the Englund gambit."
Well, this guy was not so lucky, and he bit the dust when I mated him on move 9. 😆
He started to protect his pawn with his queen, and that is a BIG no-no....
https://tinyurl.com/Black-lost-Tennison
The Tennison gambit did it again!
http://tinyurl.com/Tenn-deadly
Of course, when I play the Tennison gambit, the enemy is not obligated to accept the gambit, and take the pawn I'm offering him.
He can equally well refuse it.
Here is an example of a refused Tennison gambit. In that game the enemy surrendered unconditionally on move 8:
https://tinyurl.com/Tennison-carry-on
@carnivorum saidThe above short game I played against Mbc1959. But that was not the first game I played against him. Just before that I also played against him, and he wanted revanche, and that led to the above Tennison gambit.
Of course, when I play the Tennison gambit, the enemy is not obligated to accept the gambit, and take the pawn I'm offering him.
He can equally well refuse it.
Here is an example of a refused Tennison gambit. In that game the enemy surrendered unconditionally on move 8:
[pgn] [Event "Rated Classical game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/zwVxUwl9"]
[Date ...[text shortened]... 3 Bxf3 7. Qxf3 Ne5 8. Qf5+ { Black resigns. } 1-0 [/pgn]
https://tinyurl.com/Tennison-carry-on
In our first game we played before that Tennison gambit, I had black, so I couldn't play a Tennison against him in that game.
Therefore I played an Englund gambit against him
But just like the Tennison gambit, he also refused to accept my Englund gambit, and he did not capture the pawn I offered. He was probably afraid of a trap or something.
That led to him doing better in the first game than in the second.
In the second game he gave up on the 8th move, but in the first he lasted longer. There he only gave up on the 9th move. 😀
http://tinyurl.com/funny-game
And I got another customer for a Tennison gambit.
Looks like he never heard of this law of nature:
https://tinyurl.com/Black-lost-Tennison
And therefore he came out of the opening with a castle missing.
But he fought on.
He bravely tried to trap my queen in the corner, when that didn't work he tried to trap my bishop, and that also didn't work.
When both my queen and bishop were exchanged for equal material of the enemy, and I picked up an extra pawn to come out on +6 in material, the enemy surrendered.
Chalk up another one for the good guy.
https://tinyurl.com/Tenn-snake
As I said before, the problem with the Budapest gambit is that when you try to get it on the board, then often the enemy starts playing the London, which I don't like.
Fortunately, I picked up a nice little trap for black against the London.
A long time I didn't want to play it, because the trap is so simple, so childish, so easy to see through, that I thought that no one would ever fall for it.
Great was my amazement when the first time I decided to try this little trap, the enemy swallowed the bait, hook line and sinker, and the enemy had to part with a bishop in the opening.
By now I lost track of how many people I caught in this trap, but they are many.
And then, when you are a bishop ahead, playing against the London is not such a chore anymore.
Then you happily push the wood around and crush the enemy.
Just had a customer for that anti-London trap. He swallowed the poisonous pawn, and off went his bishop. 😆
That'll teach 'm!
https://tinyurl.com/op-traps-kill
@congruent saidhttps://tinyurl.com/blunders-lie-in-wait
What was happening here? both sides made a few blunders
[pgn][Event "Rated Classical game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/FZLko1Iq"]
[Date "2024.03.10"]
[White "brdole1"]
[Black "Carnivorum"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.03.10"]
[UTCTime "13:53:25"]
[WhiteElo "1736"]
[BlackElo "1900"]
[WhiteRatingDiff "+23"]
[BlackRatingDiff "-8"]
[Variant "Standard"]
[TimeCon ...[text shortened]... ictorious
1
congruent
Spectator room
Notes
Please be nice in the chat!
friends online[/pgn]
@congruent saidI don't know about Falkbeer, but I do know that I win a lot of games with the Falkbeer counter gambit.
Paul Morhpy win KIng's Gambit Declined
[pgn][Event "New York"]
[Site "New York, NY USA"]
[Date "1857.??.??"]
[EventDate "1857.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "John William Schulten"]
[Black "Paul Morphy"]
[ECO "C31"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[Source "Chess Monthly, vol.ii, January 1858, p.21"]
[PlyCount "46"]
1. e4 e5 2. f4 d5 3. exd5 e4 4. ...[text shortened]... Nf5+ 23. Kg5 Qh5# 0-1[/pgn]
Did Falkbeer win any of his games seeing the line is named after him?
Here is an interesting Falkbeer countergambit that I played a while ago, which I won in 15 moves.
The enemy caught me in a trap, and I had to part with a castle in the opening.
Of course I saw that one coming a mile away, but I stepped into it anyway, because I had seen that yes, he could win my castle, but I would win his queen in a counter trap.
That counter trap which gave me his queen was followed by a beautiful horse fork, which could have won me one of his castles, where it not that I passed on that castle, because I had seen a beautiful mate in 5, including queen sacrifice.
https://tinyurl.com/queen-sac-striking